Vale Tudo

[wardancer]

The other day, we had a no-gi BJJ training:
During 'rolling', one person put some gloves on and both apply BJJ skills to 'fight', the guy with the gloves 'gets' to strike (punch, elbow, knee, kick at a 'moderate strenght') while the other has to 'block' and only rely on his BJJ skills for 'winning' the match 3X5 min)..
Anybody ever done that?
For me, that is BJJ!
It is Vale Tudo!!!!

[CKD]

So you started doing the vale tudo portion of BJJ? Thats great. I have done simialr drills. Here is another drill in whic one person tries to take the other down and the other trise to defend and strike the person. http://www.graciemiami.com/home/page...s/nokimono.htm If you want to learn some other good BJJ vale tudo techniques get the Sperry set. Yes the VT BJJ is defenitely BJJ at its purest.

[pstevens]

The other day, we had a no-gi BJJ training:
During 'rolling', one person put some gloves on and both apply BJJ skills to 'fight', the guy with the gloves 'gets' to strike (punch, elbow, knee, kick at a 'moderate strenght') while the other has to 'block' and only rely on his BJJ skills for 'winning' the match 3X5 min)..
Anybody ever done that?
For me, that is BJJ!
It is Vale Tudo!!!!

Give it a rest... Vale Tudo is going nowhere in the US.. Sport BJJ is where all the great fighters come from and the future of BJJ. The only gyms that try to do Vale Tudo are those that train fighters for local NHB tourneys or wanna-be MMA gyms... I'm guessing you're part of the latter.

[pstevens]

So you started doing the vale tudo portion of BJJ? Thats great. I have done simialr drills. Here is another drill in whic one person tries to take the other down and the other trise to defend and strike the person. http://www.graciemiami.com/home/page...s/nokimono.htm If you want to learn some other good BJJ vale tudo techniques get the Sperry set. Yes the VT BJJ is defenitely BJJ at its purest.

Are you on crack? BJJ at its purest is submissions fighting. VT is not a BJJ curriculum, it's a sport based on BJJ, Muay Thai, Sambo & other arts. VT is fading in Brasil, in place of Sport BJJ... It's more famous in Japan and the US... Go figure, people start learning strikes in BJJ and they think it's VT. Newsflash, striking is incorporated in most gyms these days... That doesn't mean you're doing VT. VT is fighting in a tournament with mimimal rules.

[jubaji]

VT is fighting in a tournament with mimimal rules.

I never realized Vermont was such a tough place!

[wardancer]

Give it a rest... Vale Tudo is going nowhere in the US.. Sport BJJ is where all the great fighters come from and the future of BJJ. The only gyms that try to do Vale Tudo are those that train fighters for local NHB tourneys or wanna-be MMA gyms... I'm guessing you're part of the latter.

Hi Pstevens,
I do not live in the US but New Zealand.
For me Vale Tudo training is BJJ without Gi and with strikes.
We actually wear our Gi for warm-up as respect that we do BJJ, afterwards we take out the Gi of later on.
My point was strikes/No GI in BJJ bring a new addition to BJJ:
This is closest I got to Vale Tudo training for the moment.
But no, it is not vale tudo as yet but the training aims at street fight and VT and also BJJ because BJJ No Gi grappling can be applied in GI BJJ.
The idea is to use BJJ against striking opponents using BJJ at the same time. e.g. no more lazy side control as the person under will keep punching you, you will have to quickly 'come' up with a Sub if you do not want get hurt.

[wardancer]

So you started doing the vale tudo portion of BJJ? Thats great. I have done simialr drills. Here is another drill in whic one person tries to take the other down and the other trise to defend and strike the person. http://www.graciemiami.com/home/page...s/nokimono.htm If you want to learn some other good BJJ vale tudo techniques get the Sperry set. Yes the VT BJJ is defenitely BJJ at its purest.

I just love it and the best part is that I did not have wait long before getting to it.

[wardancer]

Are you on crack? BJJ at its purest is submissions fighting. VT is not a BJJ curriculum, it's a sport based on BJJ, Muay Thai, Sambo & other arts. VT is fading in Brasil, in place of Sport BJJ... It's more famous in Japan and the US... Go figure, people start learning strikes in BJJ and they think it's VT. Newsflash, striking is incorporated in most gyms these days... That doesn't mean you're doing VT. VT is fighting in a tournament with mimimal rules.

Easy Tiger, nobody step on your tail?
Stop insulting people about Drugs, it is not constructive for the Forum.

VT is a 'any goes' fighting format made by the Brazilians for the Brazilians due to the fact 'they had to prove that BJJ/GJJ is better than other MA' is a known and well written history so forget about the rest (muy thai, sambo..)
I only talk about experience here.
The fact is I trained to something close to Vale Tudo during BJJ is my point.
Must I made myself more clear:
That is the closest I got to vale tudo training in BJJ class.
And why should I give it a rest for?
Let's not lie to ourselves, anybody that does BJJ wants to learn to be able to fight Vale Tudo rules afterall. BJJ competition, yes of course Vale Tudo Hell yes..

[pstevens]

Hi Pstevens,
I do not live in the US but New Zealand.
For me Vale Tudo training is BJJ without Gi and with strikes.
We actually wear our Gi for warm-up as respect that we do BJJ, afterwards we take out the Gi of later on.
My point was strikes/No GI in BJJ bring a new addition to BJJ:
This is closest I got to Vale Tudo training for the moment.
But no, it is not vale tudo as yet but the training aims at street fight and VT and also BJJ because BJJ No Gi grappling can be applied in GI BJJ.
The idea is to use BJJ against striking opponents using BJJ at the same time. e.g. no more lazy side control as the person under will keep punching you, you will have to quickly 'come' up with a Sub if you do not want get hurt.

Well, I can respect that... I'm merely pointing out that Vale Tudo is simply a tournament in Brasil. Striking in BJJ is something that some gyms incorporate, but for the most part, many gyms in the US only teach sport BJJ. We incorporate striking, but for the most part, it's a separate class... You have BJJ on Monday & Thursday and Kickboxing/Cardio/boxing on the other days.

[wardancer]

Hi pstevens,
It's all good!
We are even allowed leg locks in No-GI BJJ training.

[Thai Bri]

Why wouldn't you be Wankdancer?

[CKD]

Why do you say vt is not part of the bjj curriculum? It is. BJJ is divided into three aspects sport (gi and no gi), vale tudo, and self defense. Don't believe me than I can direct you too a lot of fun links If you are not practicing all aspects then you have a whole in your training. Yes many schools are concentrating on sport bjj but BJJ in its purest form is vale tudo. Sport bjj is just about 10 years old and was made so people did not have to deal with the painful consequences of the no-holds-barred arena if they did not want too. Most bjj schools I have been to have taught the vt and none of them were wannabes and some did not enter local tourneys.

[pstevens]

Why do you say vt is not part of the bjj curriculum? It is. BJJ is divided into three aspects sport (gi and no gi), vale tudo, and self defense. Don't believe me than I can direct you too a lot of fun links If you are not practicing all aspects then you have a whole in your training. Yes many schools are concentrating on sport bjj but BJJ in its purest form is vale tudo. Sport bjj is just about 10 years old and was made so people did not have to deal with the painful consequences of the no-holds-barred arena if they did not want too. Most bjj schools I have been to have taught the vt and none of them were wannabes and some did not enter local tourneys.

BJJ started out within the Gracie family as Jiu Jitsu training with a gi... The fact that they later entered in Vale Tudo tournaments doesn't mean that the essence of BJJ is VT. Valet Tudo was arguably around before BJJ took shape. Fighters in Lutra Livre have been competing as far back as who knows when. But, the essence of BJJ is still training with the gi.

The fact that BJJ trains without the gi and incorporate strikes, does not mean it's VT.. Although some gyms advertise this way. Vale Tudo is a tournament in Brasil and Japan... Training strikes in BJJ is not Vale Tudo... Striking is merely an aspect of BJJ training, the same as self-defense, gi or no-gi training.... What part of this don't you understand?

[CKD]

BJJ started out within the Gracie family as Jiu Jitsu training with a gi... The fact that they later entered in Vale Tudo tournaments doesn't mean that the essence of BJJ is VT. Valet Tudo was arguably around before BJJ took shape. Fighters in Lutra Livre have been competing as far back as who knows when. But, the essence of BJJ is still training with the gi.

The fact that BJJ trains without the gi and incorporate strikes, does not mean it's VT.. Although some gyms advertise this way. Vale Tudo is a tournament in Brasil and Japan... Training strikes in BJJ is not Vale Tudo... Striking is merely an aspect of BJJ training, the same as self-defense, gi or no-gi training.... What part of this don't you understand?

Youa are not making much sense. The strikes are part of the vale tudo aspect. The training in the beginning was with the gi but the only competetion was vale tudo. Vale tudo training is an aspect of bjj. Vale tudo is a tournament. The vale tudo aspect of bjj is training for it just like the sport aspect trains for sport. BJJ was created for a no-rules fight.

[wardancer]

I think I know where is the confusion is.
If a guy is training kick-boxing and grappling (not BJJ for example) so he can fight under MMA rules: he is doing vale tudo training.
If a guy is training BJJ and 'upgrade' his strikes skills by training Muy Thai so he can fight under MMA rules: he is doing vale tudo training.
Some clubs do only teach BJJ in its sport format but some do teach vale tudo training as an extra curriculum.