Consensus on Streetfighting...

[_Peter_]

The real thing to be wary of in regard to streetfighting is beating someone up one day only to have him and his 15 brothers/buddies/whatever come and absolutely pound on you the next day/week/month or, if you've really pissed off the wrong people, burn don your house.

[Bartleby]

Ahoym, anyone who spends their time actively looking for fights needs a psychiatrist; not a psychologist - they need drugs.

[wardancer]

The real thing to be wary of in regard to streetfighting is beating someone up one day only to have him and his 15 brothers/buddies/whatever come and absolutely pound on you the next day/week/month or, if you've really pissed off the wrong people, burn don your house.

I agree with that especially in small town where the same social circle meet again and again.
Who fight today and walk away will fight another day!

[flyingblind]

Streetfighting

I've been training in streetfighting for the last 4 years and find it very valuable in by jujitsu and muay thai training.

When it comes to streetfighting, it for those situations that are out of the ordinary or dealing with unstable people (drunks, crackheads). If the training is done right, you should not get hurt.

Here is the location I've been training.

https://www.veearnisjitsu.com

[nwtogame]

OK I used to be one of those tough guys not "looking" for a fight but certainly not backing down if the oppurtunity provided itself. I've hurt a few ppl pretty bad(granted prolly none or few with limited martial arts) and HAVE suffered the consequences with the law. That was with not martial arts training but some limited boxing training. I think that was the "little man" syndrome cause very rarely would ever take the challenge of someone smaller than myself. Now the older I get (don't know if that has something to do with it) and more training I get........it would take much much more to get me to fight. I would literally have to be struck first or sure that i was before I will strike first. I haven't been in a "streetfight" in very long time and really don't see one in the near future. A street fight is in my opinion usually 99% of the time avoidable, whether it be the situation you put yourself in or just back out and sucking up your pride. It also has to not to do with "do you think you can get away with it" cause face it some ppl live without consequences or lack the fear of, like i used to. It has to do with is "it the right thing to do"? Would you feel good about yourself if you broke the jaw of a man that took a punkass swing that you know wouldn't/couldn't hurt you but you decided that give you the right to mangle him?.....Not me, not anymore. This is strictly my opinion feel free to comment against/for!

[Ahoym8e]

...if you broke the jaw of a man that took a punkass swing that you know wouldn't/couldn't hurt you but you decided that give you the right to mangle him?.....Not me, not anymore. This is strictly my opinion feel free to comment against/for!

So once the first punk-ass swing is taken, what do you do? Grapple and submit him?

My gut reaction is that when I am swung upon it is appropriate to strike the chin, throw an elbow, kick a thigh or groin, whatever it takes. How would you know that the other guy will just stop and leave when you block the first "punkass" swing? What if your family is around, and you need to be sure that it is over quick?

Now running down a stunned, surprised and retreating opponent that started things with a punkass swing, and pounding him from the mount or breaking/dislocating all his joints would be pretty fooked up.

What do you guys think?

[nwtogame]

First off how do you get yourself in a situation to get someone mad enough and you in the position to have a punch thrown at you with your family around?
I don't see it happening if you REALLY want to avoid something like that. Granted I know they're are situations like that but I think VERY VERY few and far between. In any case I guess if something like that is to happen and you have NO control over it happening then you do what you have to end it and end it very fast and since you family is with you do it in an apropiate way as to set an example of that person hurting them more than necessary. I would think (in my opinoin) that the person that wishes to do you bodily harm with your family present isn't trained in any sort of martial art and is probably a harmless (so to speak) punk that doesn't know any better. That would most likely be my assesment. Of course they're are situations that change everyting and so many variables here we can talk about as well. Yes everyone has those natual instincts to defend youself by whatever means necessary but I think that part of martial arts is keeping your cool and evaluating the situation before and during. I mean the average guy is not a fighter and typically has no idea what their doing right? What threat do they really pose other than weapons? Have you ever dodged a thrown fist or grabbed and spun the person around? The result is pretty humiliating and usually resulting in the person thinking twice about their next move. I just think as a trained martial artists is makes your evaluating of a situation all that much better and your odds at ever being in a situation like that are much less, is what I'm ultimately trying to get at. Again just my opinions.

[Ahoym8e]

Granted I know they're are situations like that but I think VERY VERY few and far between.

I'll agree with that.

I would think (in my opinoin) that the person that wishes to do you bodily harm with your family present isn't trained in any sort of martial art and is probably a harmless (so to speak) punk that doesn't know any better.

Well, I for example am not very big (5'11", 171 lbs) and am not skilled enough to play with stronger and bigger opponoents at will. Plus there are even smaller guys that are stronger or just plain meaner. I don't even want to guess at that and take the chance of being wrong.

Have you ever dodged a thrown fist or grabbed and spun the person around? The result is pretty humiliating and usually resulting in the person thinking twice about their next move.

That's what I'm trying to avoid. I want him to be floored that his initial offensive turned out so poorly for him and have him just haul ass.

I just think as a trained martial artists is makes your evaluating of a situation all that much better and your odds at ever being in a situation like that are much less, is what I'm ultimately trying to get at. Again just my opinions.

I think being in the right situations / environments is very important, but am not sure whether being a skilled martial artist eases those choices. Common Sense and people skills might be greater contributors there, IMHO.

nwtogame- I am not arguing with you just offering my opinion as you had encouraged in the earlier post.

[nwtogame]

Well I've rethought and its hard to get a completely thorough explanation or thought here but......yes I mean grounding the person. I just don't know if you need to use a elbow or something of that nature. Have you ever elbosed someone before? Well I have and I'm here to tell you that jaws break very easily and it only takes one blow like that to a person unaware of your ability to change them for life. I do agree with you though you/I or anyone to take that chance I guess with someone. Again it theres too many facots to discuss here or this post could go on forever. I've seen a lot of different things while working the door at clubs though. I've seen known "fighters" come in and just sip a drink wating for something to breakout and some poor unexpecting drunk throw a "hay maker" at them, dodging it and proceeding to crush every bone in that persons face with a flury of punches, elbows and things of that nature. I guess I was kinda trying to guage you a lil. Thanx for the thoughts always welcome.

[Ahoym8e]

Well I've rethought and its hard to get a completely thorough explanation or thought here but......yes I mean grounding the person.

I think I'm with ya.

I just don't know if you need to use a elbow or something of that nature. Have you ever elbowed someone before?

Thank goodness no. Hopefully I never will.

I've seen known "fighters" come in and just sip a drink wating for something to breakout and some poor unexpecting drunk throw a "hay maker" at them, dodging it and proceeding to crush every bone in that persons face with a flury of punches, elbows and things of that nature.

That's definitely not me. Worst case: I'm the guy who whappens to be walking by the bar outside and the "poor unexpecting dunk" that just got tossed out decides to take it out on me in the street, gets quite the surprise and decides to move on along.

[Karate_is_cool]

whoa streetfighting. yeah thats a tough situation. i just believe that being martial artists we have a greater responsibility than a normal person. because of our training we should know when or when not to use it. hopefully every martial arts school teaches that too. otherwise we're gonna be stuck in a world with macho-baddass punks who know how to fight lol. but even with this responsibility we have the right to defend ourselves. if we cant avoid it then we have to deal with it. lke one of my instructors said, "hit hard, hit fast, and hit them before they hit you." if someone wants to put your lights out then why wait for it? what if by chance he hits you in the right spot, knocks you to the ground, and starts to pound on you? chances are they dont care that you have a family or people that depend on you. i live in a somewhat rough city. its not new york or l.a. by all means. yet just 6 months in this city has opened up my eyes. there are people out there that are willing to hurt or even worse, kill you. and im not talkin about fighting over things like money or drugs. people at some clubs beat, cut, stab, and shoot people just for lookin at them funny (damn vietnamese people..... lol jk im vietnamese too)..... you know what? that makes me think... f@#! it, i dont wanna fight in this city. im not risking getting shot, f@#! that!! ill just make sure that i'll only ever hit a person if he attacks me by himself. and ill make sure he gets knocked out, cuz im not letting him pull out a weapon on me.

well thats my 2 cents.... i hope it was helpful in any way

OSU

[pstevens]

Well, except remote corners of the United States, there are seldom street fights... Most people in this country don't fight nor do they want to because of the legalities and plain embarrasment it brings. If you're still looking for a street fight, here's a reality check: Fighting makes you look like an idiot in the eyes of the public. Even in high school I felt embarrassed that someone wanted to fight me... What was I gonna do, roll around with some guy while the entire school laughed at us? That's basically what happens.

Street fighting is a reality in other countries, like Thailand, etc... I was at a bar in Chang Mai once and this guy made a pass at another guy's girl, only to get his ass stomped by the boyfriend and 3 other guys. The bartender just told them to take it outside. So yeah, I'll pass on street fighting.

[CKD]

Street violence is not too uncommon in the U.S. You have a strange highschool though. In mine if there was a challenge match it was a thing people would watch and cheer. Streetfights were common but people could not come in watch like a challenge match since everyine knows you are going to fight and where.

[nwtogame]

Yeah everywhere I've been streetfighting in US IS NOT uncommon. I've by the way lived in many more than just the remote corners of the US. Especially if your talking night life you talked about in your post like being in Thailand. I've been to Thailand and in fact most of all the ppl in Thailand are freindly and it never seemed to be a place where I thought I was more liekly to get into a streetfight. I was in Phucket but I did visit other places there also. Grantel a large number of the population CAN fight because of the mua thai developed there but its very competitive sport there and the fighters aren't prowling the streets looking for fights or anything.
Just my opinion.

[jubaji]

Well, except remote corners of the United States, there are seldom street fights... .

wtf?!


Maybe in your gated community.


No wonder you got your ass kicked.