Techniques against multiple opponents in BJJ

[Ronson]

How does one fight off three MT attackers?

The same way Neo fights off the Agents and all those Agent Smiths.

But seriously, if you manage by your old lonesome (read: stupid enough or drunk enough) to piss off and get into a physical confrontaion with 3 MT guys, then you've got yourself to blame probably and probably deserve to get your ass kicked.

[Nothingness]

I am looking for this kind of answer Tant01. Please elaborate more, I am very interested.

A link to a web with the specific techniques is great, too.


PS: I don't see that it is hard for our brother sherwinc to get into a confrontation with 3 MT fighters , do you?

[CKD]

Here is a link to what Rodrigo Gracie thinks a jiu-jitsu stylist should do in a multiple opponent situation. http://www.jiu-jitsu.net/interviews/gracie_rodrigo/
Here is a quote
"How effective is Brazilian Jiu-jitsu for Multiple attackers?
Jiu-jitsu has also the striking aspect. I think jiu-jitsu would do fine depending on the atackers. If the attackers know what they are doing it's over. If you can't stop one guy from grabbing you and putting you down, how would you stop two? It's like playing two videogames at the same time."
So obviously his tatic is to use the strikes of bjj to strike at the attackers and move around. Just curious but how effective are the atemi waza strikes? Someone once told me they are the chambered punch to deadly to use karate kunk.

[Tant01]

I am looking for this kind of answer Tant01. Please elaborate more, I am very interested.

A link to a web with the specific techniques is great, too.


PS: I don't see that it is hard for our brother sherwinc to get into a confrontation with 3 MT fighters , do you?

What is it exactly you are looking for my friend? Do you cary a knife? do you own a gun? Do you know how to use them? I'll tell you straight up, if you think you're going to defeat a team of commandos or a squad of SRT guys you're dead wrong but that's a good goal. The great thing about having an opposing thumb is it gives us the ability to use tools.

I'm fond of the tactic of attacking the lead leg. Also breaking the tiny bones of the inner ear. Gravity and the ground are your friends. USE THEM. Asphalt and concrete are splendid weapons!

As for a link, well... they're out there. You could try gutterfighting.org? or Google some words. like QK (quick kill) techniques. Learn the reality of how we die. Vital systems, structural de-animation, concussions. Little things like air, blood pressure and balance are all good things to take from your attackers. Humans are top heavy, right? what happens when you blow on a house of cards? Take away the foundation and down they go! It's really very simple, a thing to do. Don't overthink it. Let's not forget our friend "shock", there's a real killer!

[shasan]

kick them all in the nuts.

[Tant01]

Here is a link to what Rodrigo Gracie thinks a jiu-jitsu stylist should do in a multiple opponent situation. http://www.jiu-jitsu.net/interviews/gracie_rodrigo/
Here is a quote
"How effective is Brazilian Jiu-jitsu for Multiple attackers?
Jiu-jitsu has also the striking aspect. I think jiu-jitsu would do fine depending on the atackers. If the attackers know what they are doing it's over. If you can't stop one guy from grabbing you and putting you down, how would you stop two? It's like playing two videogames at the same time."
So obviously his tatic is to use the strikes of bjj to strike at the attackers and move around. Just curious but how effective are the atemi waza strikes? Someone once told me they are the chambered punch to deadly to use karate kunk.

Hello CKD, My name is Ray. "Someone" knows very little about atemi-waza. the act of reaching out to touch your opponent is itself a strike even if you only grab the garments or use it as a feint to get the ever critical "attachment". The art of drawing a reaction with false attacks to open the real target is not unique to JKD. The striking techniques themselves as well as the allegedly "deadly" targets are still found in places like Kempo and other advanced Karate type arts. Shuto, hammer fists, 1/2 fist, wrist and elbow strikes from the various angles and combinations of flowing or richoshet(sp?) type strikes are there as are the corresponding kicks, knees etc. The strikes are often used to soften and unbalance the enemy so your finish technique is most effective weather it's a throw or joint destruction or choke or strangle. The destruction techniques being the real attack, yes? Bone breaking is not sporting so is useless to sport arts but we see similar techniques as submissions or control holds, even police frown on the destructive nature of (true) Ju-jitsu but they like the less lethal versions? Go figure... It's much faster to break it and move on or move out! Not in the arena but in the true fight. life and death stuff, ya know?
Add a simple weapon like a short stick and locks, strikes and the true "Atemi" becomes even more evident to a trained eye.

[nwtogame]

bump
Great thread

[CKD]

I know about the basic atemi techniques from my limited training in Judo but the strikes were chambered like karate and were not taught in a resisting context, you never hit the partner and they didn't resist they just went along with the technique.

[darrianation]

Being attacked by three trained MT guys constitutes deadly force. I would shoot them! If I didn't have my gun on me (heaven forbid) I would pull out my knife and begin slash/thrust as fast and as hard as I can!

[CKD]

I would call the muay thai people cowards and brag that they couldn't beat me on there own until they get pissed off and fight me one on one. That is if i can't run away.

[Kirves]

An excellent article that touches this issue quite well: http://www.realfighting.com/0503/jdanaherframe.html

[Tant01]

I know about the basic atemi techniques from my limited training in Judo but the strikes were chambered like karate and were not taught in a resisting context, you never hit the partner and they didn't resist they just went along with the technique.

That's because atemi-waza is only practiced in kata, for a list of the Kodokan Atemi Waza techniques you could look
here >>> http://www.nd.edu/~judo/atemiwaza.htm
Again a trained MAist won't have a problem knowing how to exicute the particular strikes. Proper mechanics, economy of motion, force delivery and combinations are all important but even more important than knowing how is knowing when. Timing is the key element and proper judgment of distance gives you that precious time. Finding a way to practice atemi-waza outside of the dojo is up to you. We wore helmets, used mouth gaurds and padded the steel bulkheads with bubble wrap and duct tape. Still had to hit/throw with controlled force. It's all good!


Three MT guys come into a bar..... BUY THEM A DRINK!!! ;-) LOL

[CKD]

The article does not tell much about the technique. Are the punching techniques mostly chambered at the hip like karate or more up like boxing.

[Tant01]

The article does not tell much about the technique. Are the punching techniques mostly chambered at the hip like karate or more up like boxing.

No...not the way I was taught. Think greco roman wrestling. Base low for mobility hands raised to gaurd, trap or strike. Moving, fluid not static or standing still...