Grappling, why?

[IPON]

the man wore one glove to the octogon!

I remember that fight classic I LMAO when I saw him.. I didn't know that much about NHB ..... but I knew that dude was a dumb ass

[CKD]

CKD, thanks for your respone dude.

The tomato cans I am speaking of (I'm not gonna mention every one throughout the early UFC's - just watch and you'll spot them) might have been tops in their field of martial arts (did you really mention Jimmerson? Shite, boxing is full of different councils and a top 5 ranking in some shatsy federation means shite and for G D's sake, the man wore one glove to the octogon!) and no doubt bad-ashhes in their own right, but when compared to other competitors who typically train full contact and with resisting opponents (forgive me if I didn't mention Shammy, Severn, ...) in the early UFC's and surely against today's MMA athletes, there would be concensus that they were tomoto-cans (tomato-cans is a relative term when compared to the field of competitors - I am not saying they were not tough at all, in fact in takes alot of testicular fortitude to get in their, lay it all on the line, and compete)


Later, and I welcome your input and discussion man.

Hell yea of course the competitors back then besides Kimo, Shamrock and Severn were tomato cans compared to todays fighters. But they were the best in there styles which was what the tournament was about. I heard Art Davie went ballistic with the one glove thing. I still remember when I first watched that UFC and me and my friends started cracking up. Whats really funny about Jimmerson is that he knows works at a Coca Cola factory and he claims that the UFC ruined his carreer. He said it left him unmotivated since they gave him a lot of money just for showing up and he decided just to give up anyway. He then gained a lot of weight and lost the rest of his matches. and know he works at a Coca Cola factory. For some reason I find that very funny. Hackney know runs an mma school. He is planning to make one last appearance in the octagon before he never fights again. Fred Ettish is still studying his Karate and is a judge at mma events. He says he would like fight in mma again but feels the current rules are a bit sporty. Don't know why he is complaining it gives his opponents less ways to beat him up. We just need to place him against Sliva or Fedor. That ends my summarry of where todays Octagon legends are.

[Ronson]

Hey CKD, funny funny shite man! Kudo's on the "where are they now? infamous UFC fighters" Do u have a link for the info. or should I just google it?

Thanks

[Tom Yum]

Top Ten Reasons to Learn Grappling.

10. All the kids are doing it.
9. Practice involves, getting mounted.
8. Sweat tastes good.
7. It hurts without leaving so many visible bruises.
6. Jean Claude has never done a movie about it.
5. Neither has Chuck Norris.
4. "Judo" Gene LeBell is a bad mother....
3. It's fun to make people tap.
2. Two words, REAR MOUNT.
And the number one reason to learn to grapple....
1. Because Helio Graice said so!

lmao, you made my day

Grappling isn't effective or anything

[IPON]

Hey what about teh crazy JJJ guy I think from Canada that was great at putting holes in heavy bags and never connecting with oppponents.

[Tom Yum]

Hey what about teh crazy JJJ guy I think from Canada that was great at putting holes in heavy bags and never connecting with oppponents.

Yeah, that guy was nutz. But he did connect and KOd a thai boxer in UFC 3.

The crazy JJJ dude was like 6'3" and 220 and the thai boxer was 5'10" and 180. The match starts off with both guys firing punches. The thai boxer starts landing some hard low kicks and knees (w/out clinch) and drives the big dude into the fence.

Both guys start trading punches again, and the big crazy JJJ dude lands an overhand right that KOs the thaiboxer.

[CKD]

Hey CKD, funny funny shite man! Kudo's on the "where are they now? infamous UFC fighters" Do u have a link for the info. or should I just google it?

Thanks

I found it in a book called No Holds Barred Evolution. The Ettish wanting to fight again and Jimmerson working at the Coke factory saying that the UFC ruined his carreer are in a kind of fun facts thing in the back of the book. I knew Hackney owned an mma gym because I saw the website for it and I read in Fightsport he wanted to fight in the UFC one last time. I wonder what happened to the fat dude that looked like he was entering a donut eating contest in the first UFC. Or how about the sumo wrestlers? In the book it also says one fighter went home crying because he realized his martial art didn't work but I can not remember his name.

[Uncle Corny]

grappling has no advantage. if you're dumb enough to let yourself get knocked to the ground, then you should have your sister fighting your fights for you.

[jread]

grappling has no advantage. if you're dumb enough to let yourself get knocked to the ground, then you should have your sister fighting your fights for you.

LOL! While you're going to get flamed to hell and back for that comment, I would like to add that I agree with it to some extent.

I am a striker myself, but I plan on learning enough about grappling to defend takedowns as well as get back on my feet in the event that I *am* taken down. However, I have NO desire to spend tons of time working on a purple belt or higher in BJJ when I could spend that time working on my standup skills (which is my true passion).

Different strokes for different folks. Grapplers need to learn enough striking to avoid being KO'd.... strikers need to learn enough grappling to avoid being submitted and to keep from freaking out if taken down to the mat.

I think you should stick with whatever works best for *you* and what *you* enjoy. I think it's bullshit to try to do *both* at the same time, though. Go with what you prefer and supplement it with the other.

In all fairness, though, one would have to be a complete dumbass to think they could make it in MMA with ONLY grappling or ONLY striking.

[jubaji]

I am a striker myself, but I plan on learning enough about grappling to defend takedowns as well as get back on my feet in the event that I *am* taken down.

That means you'll learn just enough to gain a false sense of security and you'll still end up face down on the pavement. Good luck!

[jread]

That means you'll learn just enough to gain a false sense of security and you'll still end up face down on the pavement. Good luck!

If someone can avoid being taken down, then knocks you the f*ck out, when is the part where you put them face down on the pavement?

[jubaji]

If someone can avoid being taken down, then ?

Yeah, that's the part you're not gettin'. You'll think you can avoid being taken down when you manage to stop kenny karate's eyes-closed-shot-from-across-the-room-double, but you'll wake up real quick when reality makes you its bitch.

[jread]

Yeah, that's the part you're not gettin'. You'll think you can avoid being taken down when you manage to stop kenny karate's eyes-closed-shot-from-across-the-room-double, but you'll wake up real quick when reality makes you its bitch.

L.....O......L!!!!!!!!!!!

[Britt]

That means you'll learn just enough to gain a false sense of security and you'll still end up face down on the pavement. Good luck!

I agree that just learning a little grappling will not do a lot of good against an experienced grappler, but I would still encourage any striker to learn at least some grappling for self defense. Most attackers probably aren't experienced grapplers, and a lot of times haven't had any formal training in any at all (I'm assuming; I admit I haven't done a study or anything). Most folks who tackle you and take you to the ground probably don't know much more than that they want to hurt you however possible.

Even if someone isn't inclined to become a full time grappler, just learning how not to get mounted, how to pass the guard, a few submissions, and just generally how not to panic if taken to the ground can be valuable. I try to tell purely standup fighters who are dismissive of grappling/don't want to learn another art/just plain think it's gross that if you want to fight on your feet, at least learn enough about ground fighting to let you stay off the ground as much as possible. Better than learning none at all.

[jread]

I agree that just learning a little grappling will not do a lot of good against an experienced grappler, but I would still encourage any striker to learn at least some grappling for self defense. Most attackers probably aren't experienced grapplers, and a lot of times haven't had any formal training in any at all (I'm assuming; I admit I haven't done a study or anything). Most folks who tackle you and take you to the ground probably don't know much more than that they want to hurt you however possible.

Even if someone isn't inclined to become a full time grappler, just learning how not to get mounted, how to pass the guard, a few submissions, and just generally how not to panic if taken to the ground can be valuable. I try to tell purely standup fighters who are dismissive of grappling/don't want to learn another art/just plain think it's gross that if you want to fight on your feet, at least learn enough about ground fighting to let you stay off the ground as much as possible. Better than learning none at all.

That is precisely the point I was trying to make.