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Originally posted by GpRave
Just curious, where is the dojo located? Also who are the instructors and what is thier ranking.
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Just curious, where is the dojo located? Also who are the instructors and what is thier ranking. -
Ipon,
Here is the schools website
This should give you all the information you need. the prices are about 5 to 10 dollars more than quoted on the website, guess they have not made the changes yet. Good Group of people here. We do Gi/no-gi workouts. The gym is close by the number 5 train the stop is Bronx park east.Comment
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Oh great, just a another BJJ Newbie!Originally posted by GpRave
Well it is just too soon.
2 stripes in 4 months and never fought in open competition.
At the rate he is getting promoted he will be blue belt in 1 year. and still most probably has not fought in a competition.
So good on him, you might say!
The reason why I think it is not a good idea:
1) I have my reservations with early promotion. e.g Mc Dojo.
2) You get promoted Blue belts once you can 'hang' with the blue belts. Now let say your BJJ team sucks in Blue Belt section, so you get an easy pratice with the blue belts: you always win at the club so you get promoted blue.
Then the day you go to a competition, reality check happens when you meet blue belts than have been promoted with a 'conservative' approach.
3) The ranking is something very personal between the teacher and the student. If the student get beaten because he has been promoted too 'early', it will look bad on the teacher/team. And I do not care how medals the teacher has, I am just concern about the student.
4) I train with Brazilians and they are no such shorcuts in BJJ. For Blue Belts, try more like 3 years unless you are a very good at competition then the promotion comes quicker.
5) There is no way my BJJ team would promote a member to higher rank if he get beaten all the time by everybody. And it has nothing to do with the amount of classes/fees, he is attending/paying.
6) The problem is that heaps of guys thinks Blue Belts is the belt you get once you have learn the basics. It sounds to me like if you hang around long enough in an American BJJ school, you will get your blue belt!!
7) In my club, BJJ ranking is just much longer compare to other MA.
In my club, you are looking at 3 years to blue, then 3 years to purples, then who knows how long before you get your brown.
The quickest I have heard of is 10 years to Black.
Just out of curosity:
How long did it take to get your Shodan?
Did you have a waiting period before presenting for your Nidan?Comment
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WarDancer,
I understand what you meant and just was curious as to your thoughts. It took me 8 years to get my Nidan in Aikijiujitsu - 6 to get to shodan and 2 more for Nidan. I also understand the concepts of the McDojo and agree with you - people should not be promoted unless they are skilled matured technicians and not handed rank- I should have asked anakin more about his training so he could accurately detail his time "on the mat". And yes, I'm another BJJ newbie - lol -I wish I had started BJJ alot earlier. You seem to be pretty knowledgeable (sp?) regarding BJJ - How long have you been training? and where do you train?Comment
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I train in New Zealand in BJJ but not as long as I did in Shotokan (Nidan).
My instructor is Brazilian so are most of the senior students.
He usually get people from his club in Brazil to come over for holidays and we do get some good ranges/quality training/sparring partners.
The concept of the BJJ Team is very different compare to a TMA.e.g Karate
You do belong to a competitive team and not a style.
At the end of each training, we all greet each other with good handshake and a hug by all members.
On my first class, my instructors welcome me to the team.
However, we are still a MA as BJJ as you do the usual Sensei Bow (but not as stiff as the Japanese version) and even warm-up in Gi even for No Gi Classes. A no Gi class would conclude by us putting back our gi on for the concluding bow.
We do not fight our club members at open tournaments. Such fights can create frictions/rivalries within the team. Some people wacthing the competition would like us to fight each other at tournaments for the sake of the sport/competitive spirit but we are not gladiators (afterall).
It is a very individualistic sport but somehow the Brazilians turned it into a team sport:
Nobody can be blame when your looses but yourselve and nobody can take the your credit for your wins/success. No matter what happens (sucess or defeat), you still need a team to train with and support you through the good/bad experiences.
I do not know if such BJJ Team concept exist in the US. I would expect to exist because most BJJ instructors are Brazilians.Comment
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mat time
we roll about 20-40 mins a day & on fri we roll 40 - 60 mins...Comment
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Wardancer...I am curious as to who you train with. I think you've read some of my previous posts and we kinda agree on some things. I really believe in NOT doing the Mcdojo thing..One of things I love about BJJ is that its about the only MA who's belt system still has integrity!Originally posted by wardancer
That said, your estimates on belt time are a little over the top. You say that the fastest BJJ blackbelt you've ever heard of took 10 years?!--That tells me that: 1-you're lying, or 2-you are sincere and your instructor is REALLY oldschool and has filled your head with this nonsense.
My point is, there are Tons of guys/girls who have recieved their blackbelt in under 10 years. I don't want to bring up the same old example..BJ Penn who did it in about 4yrs..but It is a good one. Eddie Bravo..have you heard of him?--Tapped out Royler in Abu Dahbi? He got his black in around 7yrs. There are SO many more examples I can't list them all..But just to not leave the Girls out..World Champion kick ass grappler Leka Veira was promoted in under 10 and also my good friend and wonderfully inspiring individual..Cindy Omatsu got her black in under 10.
Also the idea that it'll take 3 YEARS to get a blue belt..man!? That is a really long time..now I can see being in the bluebelt for 3 yrs..that's about what it took me from blue to purple..but it only takes maybe a year tops to get the blue..and I'm talking about a good bluebelt after a year.
Again, this is why I'm curious as to who you train with, I mean absolutely no disrespect..but a guy that trains with say..Jean Jacques or Rigan Machado for a solid year, he's gonna be a pretty sick bluebelt, some are more competitive than others but a good year under good instruction..definately should be a bluebelt.
My thoughts anyway..Comment
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My instructor is Douglas Santos. He took him 15 years for his black belt to be awarded by his master 'Tonicão' (ataqueduplo club).
Another of my instructor Pedro took him 12 years.
Like I said the fastest BBJ BB i heard of is 10 years in MY CLUB. He was so good, he was hand picked by the Brazilian top team.
I rather mention the years of training that it took some of the guys I trained with, than mentioning some stuff from other teams that I read in a magazine.
The rest does not matter because they do not belong to the same team.
I train with Brazilians: I ask the guys how long it took them to get their belt and that is it!
Why would I lie?
Or more like, why would they lie about it?
I do not like to drop names to make myself important, I can only talk about stuff from my club.
Tonicão is the leader of ataqueduplo and they have the back up from the Brazilian Top Team.
It is obvious that the standard of my team is different from yours.
If you say Blue in one year is common in your club or country, so be it!
It is simply impossible in mine unless you are very very very good!
So I must be from a nonsense really oldschoold and I will take your advise and I will go to my instructor and tell that other BJJ schools are promoting good standard Blue belt in one year (I will mention to him all the names you said like Machado etc..). LOL
No wonder the Machado club representatives in New Zealand do not want to participate in our open BJJ tournament!Comment
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just my lil two cents, my instructor is a brazilian as well & lived in brazil most of his life, he's been training for twelve years & is only a brown belt...Comment
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Hi Anakin,
I hope you did not take any offence at my comment.
I am just giving stuff from my experience, nothing more nothing less.
I am not surprise by the amount of years your brazilian BJJ instructor has been doing and still brown belt.
Does he grade his students colour belts? Or does he have to get the 'go ahead' from a higher rank instructor?Comment
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Guys, try to get serious for a moment here. If you're training properly, you are in very good physical condition, and your belt system is not based on some sort of political nonsense, there is no way that it should take you 10+ years to reach blackbelt level.
Some of the best purple belt competitors in the United States have been training only for only 2-4 years. B.J. Penn got his blackbelt in 3 years, and he was a world champion. Jacare, arguably the best BJJ player in the world right now, has been training BJJ for only 7 years. "Shaolin" Ribiero got his blackbelt in 3 years, and he won the Mundials twice.
The level of today's BJJ players is so far above that of even 5 years ago that it's incredible. Training methods are evolving, and in turn, so is the skill of the players. BJJ, like boxing, wrestling, Thai, etc., is a performance-based art. Timeframes for belts is nothing but politics. If someone is competing successfully against people of a certain level, then they are that level--whatever it may be. Skill is not a function of time, it is a function of native talent, work ethic, and patience. Nothing more. Your potential improvement is limited only by the time you are willing to put in.
I would also like to point out that belts are only a means of classifying you for competition. Once you get on the mat, only your skill level matters. I've never seen someone's belt spontaneously leap from its owner's waist to protect them from the armbar of a lower belted player...
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Ok, My estimate of 3 years for Blue is way too much.Originally posted by ryanhallGuys, try to get serious for a moment here. If you're training properly, you are in very good physical condition, and your belt system is not based on some sort of political nonsense, there is no way that it should take you 10+ years to reach blackbelt level.
I would also like to point out that belts are only a means of classifying you for competition. Once you get on the mat, only your skill level matters. I've never seen someone's belt spontaneously leap from its owner's waist to protect them from the armbar of a lower belted player...
Some instructors promote students to Blue because they feel it will encourage the student to strive harder. Afterall Blue is just the first step.
Some instructors are more 'conservative'/old fashioned and grade blue based on strong performance. My instructor just happen to be the conservative type.
Both philosophies/approaches have their pro/cons.
Bj Penn and Jacare are some exemples of the best in the BJJ and no way the average Joe can expect to match their rapid progress and success.
Some guys that train in small BJJ clubs have to move to bigger clubs in order to get quality sparring partners or they just stagnate with their BJJ skills in their small club because of the lack of 'challenge'/stimulation from more advanced BJJ students.
To conclude, I think the lack of promotion in some BJJ club is just due to the competitive side of BJJ. Instructors do not like to grade students that cannot win in their belt section when it comes to open competition.Comment
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My instructor gives out belts on his own. His instructor (rodrigo mederios) is based some where in california.Comment
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