Help with takedown speed...

[jubaji]

What kind of setups are we talking about here? Examples please.

Damn! That's a big question. It depends on what you are setting up and against whom.

There are, however, certain things you are trying to accomplish with a set up:

1) Make the man step where you know he will (with all that implies about balance and center of gravity and all that)

2) Affect his vision (make him look where you ain't, or interfere with his ability to see generally)

3) Make him straighten up (straighten his back, or preferably his knees)

4) Clear his arms (a big part of taking away defense)

5) Make him reach, follow, or push/pull in such a fashion as to make any of the above available.

And probably a hundred more things. But you get the point.

[Ronson]

Change the levels and angles of your takedowns.
Does your eyes and/or body language give you away?
Exercises: Plyometrics

[Bjjexpertise@be]

Well Ipon I guess it would have to be setups for wrestling more than anything else. So far all i know is the tap and go but it is used so much that people know how to react to it.

And thanks for the guy that gave me two examples for a setup.

[Bjjexpertise@be]

1) Make the man step where you know he will (with all that implies about balance and center of gravity and all that)

2) Affect his vision (make him look where you ain't, or interfere with his ability to see generally)

3) Make him straighten up (straighten his back, or preferably his knees)

4) Clear his arms (a big part of taking away defense)

5) Make him reach, follow, or push/pull in such a fashion as to make any of the above available.

And probably a hundred more things. But you get the point.

Do you have any more specific set ups(i.e. tap and go) that you would like to share with me?

[jubaji]

Do you have any more specific set ups(i.e. tap and go) that you would like to share with me?

This is far too big a subject to adequately address here, but just as example:

1) Make the man step where you know he will (with all that implies about balance and center of gravity and all that)

Many times, if you circle he will follow. This means you know where he will step and where his weight will be in a given moment. With some folks, if you crowd them, they will move back. Same deal. If you move back, some folks will follow. etc etc

2) Affect his vision (make him look where you ain't, or interfere with his ability to see generally)

With some folks, if you push their head to the left, they will look to the left. With others, they will react and look back to the right. Either way, if you know (or figure out) where they will look, you know where to not be. You mentioned a head tap (which should really be more of an open-hand smack). Well, if your hand lingers there for a fraction of a second, you have now blocked his view for that time. Also, from a collar tie, you can give a man a good whack to the base of the skull that will cause his vision to go black for a fraction of a second, and etc etc.

3) Make him straighten up (straighten his back, or preferably his knees)

With a lot of folks, if they think you are working for a throw, they will straighten their legs (they shouldn't, but there it is). Go in with hooks and take a few half-steps like you are gonna try to set up a throw, and watch what happens to their posture.

4) Clear his arms (a big part of taking away defense)

Posting from the elbows is most common, but you can clear the arms with a drag, with hooks, etc

5) Make him reach, follow, or push/pull in such a fashion as to make any of the above available.

Again, people often react in predictable ways. Lean on someone, they may lean back. Pull someone, they may pull in kind. If you retreat, some will follow. If you move in, some will move back.


There is just no end to the ways that you can exploit reactions and attacks and counters in order to set up your takedown. It's like chess without the geeks.

[IPON]

BJJ - I would actually go back to the wrestling thread you started. Jubaji and I gave many example of set-ups

[Bjjexpertise@be]

Meh the thread is lost in the sands of time. I doubt we'll ever find it again

[jubaji]

Meh the thread is lost in the sands of time. I doubt we'll ever find it again

http://www.defend.net/deluxeforums/showthread.php?t=9878&highlight=wrestling

[IPON]

BJJ - I hope you take this lesson from Jubaji.......never give up if you want something bad enough. If you are not passionate about the sport don't waste people's time. No ofense, just being honest.

[Bjjexpertise@be]

I'm very passionate about the sport and try to do it as often as I can. And I always try not to waste other people's time.

[jubaji]

I'm very passionate about the sport and try to do it as often as I can. And I always try not to waste other people's time.

So anyway, what are you doing to get ready for the upcoming season?

[Bjjexpertise@be]

I'm doing a little researching to see who is going to be competeing in my wate class so I can be prepared to fight them for the varsity position.

[IPON]

Bjjexpertise@be - I think Jubaji was referring to actual training not armchair scouting; i.e. running, weight room, rolling (yes and cheerleaders). Seriously, there is no research to find out who you will complete against, becuase you already have the names. What you don't have is strength, endurance and measurable skill. So if you are researching anything it should be technique. Remember, the names of the competition may change depending on what weight class you choose and who can cut weight. Most importantly, a true wrestler will wrestle anyone. Your job is to beat every opponent (in your school and outside your school) that's the goal. To achieve the goal you need a good mixture of cardio, strength, technique (at least strong basics - so get grounded in the basics!!!!) and heart. No offense, I am just trying to be helpful. It seems that a lot of time you work opposite of your goal.

Did you go to any camps this summer or pick up any of the books we recommended?

You may want to talk to the coach about pre-season training for the wrestlers that are not involved in other fall sports.