Suddenly Armbarred.... Please help

[Ahoym8e]

There is young (16 y.o.) fellow in my BJJ class that armbars me within 5 to 10 seconds of rolling. It was all fun and training until his Dad showed up and then the show was on: I bet he must have armbarred me 5 times in a row. it got so bad that I would cross my arms and hug myself the second he slid into guard, because my arms were hurting so much.

I've never really been armbarred like that before, and just don't know how to defend it. I keep my elbows in tight, never extend and arm, but whether out of the guard or mount, this guy manages to work for the arm, spin around underneath me and next thing I know I'm howling and tapping...

I mean I've tried grasping his and my gi, clasping my hands together, turning with him to spin out. I've tried stacking him on his head when his guard gets real high, and keeping my elbows by my hips. Once he clears my head with his leg though it's all over: no matter wht I was holding he would rip it free and I'd have to tap.

Any suggestions?

He was reallly cool about showing me how he was gettting them, and up unitl his Dad showed up I was able to resist him somewhat, but as soon as Dad was watching it was a whole 'nother game. (not that he wasn't cool anymore, just all compassion drained from him).

please help!

[DragonAE86]

There is young (16 y.o.) fellow in my BJJ class that armbars me within 5 to 10 seconds of rolling. It was all fun and training until his Dad showed up and then the show was on: I bet he must have armbarred me 5 times in a row. it got so bad that I would cross my arms and hug myself the second he slid into guard, because my arms were hurting so much.

I've never really been armbarred like that before, and just don't know how to defend it. I keep my elbows in tight, never extend and arm, but whether out of the guard or mount, this guy manages to work for the arm, spin around underneath me and next thing I know I'm howling and tapping...

I mean I've tried grasping his and my gi, clasping my hands together, turning with him to spin out. I've tried stacking him on his head when his guard gets real high, and keeping my elbows by my hips. Once he clears my head with his leg though it's all over: no matter wht I was holding he would rip it free and I'd have to tap.

Any suggestions?

He was reallly cool about showing me how he was gettting them, and up unitl his Dad showed up I was able to resist him somewhat, but as soon as Dad was watching it was a whole 'nother game. (not that he wasn't cool anymore, just all compassion drained from him).

please help!

I betting he's Dad is Royce or Rickson? But for the solution I expect your Instructor should be able to show you, if he can't, than quit this club and join the son's Dad's club

[DragonAE86]

Hmmm!

Duplicate post - sorry dodgy connection!

[Bjjexpertise@be]

I'm guessin you're getting armbarred because of his set ups. Pay attention and watch what he does before he goes for the armbar. Once you figure out the setups you'll know when he's gunns try for the armbar and be prepared for it.

[Ahoym8e]

I'm guessin you're getting armbarred because of his set ups. Pay attention and watch what he does before he goes for the armbar. Once you figure out the setups you'll know when he's gunns try for the armbar and be prepared for it.

I do pay attention to the setups. Often they seem like uncontrolable squirming. but then he'll pass the leg over my head and just keep ripping at gi or elbow with his whole body, and that's hard to withstand even with two arms.

I know the classic armbar setups and try to battle his foot in my hip when he opens guard, I fight the high guard of his other leg, and I try to keep his leg from passing, but it's tough. He squirms around so much and so fast that I struggle to keep by base and defend at the same time.

I'll try again next week, and maybe I'll fare better. It was after an hour of open mat and I'd worked with heavy weights earlier in the day, so fatigue might well have played a part.

I'm brand spankin' new at BJJ, but I've trained submission grappling for about 6 mos and no-one has been able to armbar me (maybe 3x in the 6 months), until blue belt armbar FOOL devastated me last night... (my respect to him).

:sigh:

I was hoping someone had the miracle cure up their sleeve

I guess I'll have to go with working harder and rolling more. What'll be interesting is if I can use the armbar now. I've never really focused on it, but now that I've seen it 15 times in 20 minutes it'll be fun to try it out at the next sparing session.

[wardancer]

When I get caught in an arm-bar:
1. I defend the 'caught' arm by placing the hand of the arm palm down on the biceps of my other arm. Just like a rear naked choke "Mata Leo".
2. Now rather to pull away from the arm-bar (which is usually done by instincts but it is the wrong reaction), you have to 'turn' into the legs of your opponent and stack him up in his head. It does not matter how tights are his legs around your shoulder, just get on knees or feets and start spinning around. Make sure you stack him hard, still holding on both arms. Now you can start choking him for distraction (e.g Thrusting choke, "amassa Pao" like just grab a lapel and bury your fist against his adam apple) as you get leverage on him. I soonest he reacts to the choke, just pull your arm free.
3. It is rude to have a training partner pull so many of the same techniques on you (since you do not have the knowledge of how to counter it. I do not accept such mentality because it is counter-productive for both of you. He only uses the same stuff all the time, while he should try a new range of techniques since he knows his arm-bar works on you. You are not learning anything about it and are getting fed-up: it is bad for the team spirit. So in this case, I would suggest to Be NAUGHTY to him, when you attempt to 'turn into him' rather to pull away, make sure to use the 'caught' elbow by putting pressure against his private parts and use both elbows also to 'grind' straight into the flesh of his inner thights when you can.
You stack him on his head and he still has your arm in arm bar, you have to be 'cruel' to be kind. Just 'grind'.

[Ahoym8e]

So in this case, I would suggest to Be NAUGHTY to him, when you attempt to 'turn into him' rather to pull away, make sure to use the 'caught' elbow by putting pressure against his private parts and use both elbows also to 'grind' straight into the flesh of his inner thights when you can.
You stack him on his head and he still has your arm in arm bar, you have to be 'cruel' to be kind. Just 'grind'.

Hehe, I'll have to keep that in mind....

Regarding defending against the armbar withe the "Mata Leo" choke type position, I've tried that and ended up in a nasty triangle twice. Am I misunderstanding what you're suggesting?

Thanks...

[wardancer]

You protect your arm by putting them as if you were doing a mata leo. You are not attempting the choke just keeping your arm in such way to stop from pulling your attacked arm into a straight arm-bar.
The idea is to have the palm of your attacked hand in the bicep of your other arm so he cannot staighten your arm into a sub. Meanwhile, turn toward and stack him up. try using your elbows to 'create great pressure on 'pressure points'.The arm he does not attack, use it tto choke him hard to force to release his arm bar. Rember, the futher you try to get away from your opponent, the more leverage he has on your arm. That is why you should never get up or pull away your arms away from him but more like stack him up and get so close you can choke him with both hand.
Another way is to use the arm that he is not holding and stack him on his head by holding his belt from the back of his gi. Then push him down so much that his knees touch his face, then release your arm quickly.

[Ahoym8e]

You protect your arm by putting them as if you were doing a mata leo. You are not attempting the choke just keeping your arm in such way to stop from pulling your attacked arm into a straight arm-bar.

ok. I understand how this would work well if I have both arms between his legs. when I try the mata leo with one arm outside (it's like I'm rear naked choking his thigh) my opponent switches strategies and puts me in a triangle.

Both arms in: the mata leo sounds great.

One arm out: grab belt in back and stack on head.

I'm rolling tonight, and will try it out!!!!

[Bjjexpertise@be]

I'm not familiar with the choke names, so what's the Mata leo and how is it excuted?

[Ahoym8e]

"Mata leo" is a simple rear naked choke if I am not mistaken, just Portuguese for "kill lion"

[Uber_Tap]

It sounds like you are sitting high in his guard, back on your feet. When he pulls guard, try to lay flat on him and circle one arm around the back of his head and try to get the other hand under his shoulder(keep it bent). Stay flat and pull up on the back of his head until you are ready to make a move one way or the other. This isn't going to make him submit or anything, but it will buy you a second to make a decision. It's basically a stall tactic just so you can compose yourself. Keep this in mind though, you will be open for Omoplata if you don't stay flat and keep him pinned with your weight. Learned that the hard way

When you sit up for the guard pass or whatever if you can keep one arm free pull it outside of his leg as he tries to clear you body with it and use that arm to push his leg down at an angle towards his body as hard as you can. As you are driving that leg forward as hard as you can pull the trapped arm back as hard as you can. Nothing fancy, but stacking that leg seems to make some people lose grip on the trapped arm and allows you to get free in a pretty good spot to try for side control.

I don't want you to get the impression that this always works because I still get caught, but just not as often. I don't have years and years of experience or anything but it has helped me. This escape opens you up for some other submissions if you don't time it right so I'm sure there is a better way someone on here can provide both of us.

[Tant01]

I'm not familiar with the choke names, so what's the Mata leo and how is it excuted?

LOL sorry, your screen name is a bit misleading...Hadaka Jime or the rear (naked) choke is the same thing as "Mata de Leo" The translation is close enough "to kill the lion"...The reverse (naked choke) being your "guillotine" choke, or the Mae hadaka jime...they are called "naked" holds because they do not require a Gi? There are two thoughts on choking. Strangle or choke? By reducing blood flow in a corotoid strangle you can deanimate in about 6-10 seconds with little pressure. With the trachea choke you will need at least 6 times more force and up to a few minuts of continous choking to deanimate. Different chokes for different folks...

[Ahoym8e]

It sounds like you are sitting high in his guard, back on your feet.

Yes I am sitting high. My instructor yells at me if I dont

Sit on my feet, head high. Close and hold both collars with hand on sternum, other hand on his belt....

That's prolly why I've never been armbarred before: I used to lay on the opponent when in his guard.

Thanks for the advice!!!!!

Keep it coming, I can use every little bit.

[Uber_Tap]

Yes I am sitting high. My instructor yells at me if I dont

Understood, always listen to the man in charge. Try the stack I was talking about though, I think it will work for you.