Strength beats technique???

[shirase]

btw sapp beat hoost in a rematch. im not sure, but there might have been even a third one. I only saw the first one but i remember looking at bob sapp's stats and there was no loss to hoost. But also, you have to remember that his technique probably started to get better after that fight, i heard hes taking lessons from all sorts of MA's to get better.

[Tom Yum]

Mind if I use that lion fighting a bull analogy?

sure, strength alone can be an important factor too but it takes a HUGE strength difference to overcome really good technique, case in point the former linebacker, Sapp who benches 650+ something.

Sapp has been beaten by Sefo, Crocop, Bonjasky, Nog - so it takes a higher caliber of fighter to handle someone who is insanely strong, no doubt.

Oh yeah, if a lion goes head to head with a bull it'll loose every time, but if it can get the bull off balance and get ahold of its neck, it will win.

[aseepish]

What was it that Thai Bri used to say about the fight of the size of the dog?

[SamuraiGuy]

The thing Thai Bri prolly used to say... unless he changed the old saying is ... "its not the size of the dog in the fight... its the size of fight in the dog"... thats most likely it.. but he may have changed it... mmmhmm... i think ive heard that kano thing before... the units of strength paragraph thing. ummm I know of two fights between sapp and hoost... and was looking into one were sapp got armbarred... (see top of page 3 i think).. but oculdnt get a video for it... or an article on it... anyone know of where to get/have videos of sapp losing to a smaller more technically sound opponent.... (the smaller the opponent the better lol)..

[Strepto]

and was looking into one were sapp got armbarred... (see top of page 3 i think).. but oculdnt get a video for it... or an article on it... anyone know of where to get/have videos of sapp losing to a smaller more technically sound opponent.... (the smaller the opponent the better lol)..

That fight won the MMA Fight of the Year award in 2002 (mmafighting.com). Here is what they had to say:

''Fight of the Year

Bob Sapp vs. Nogueira at Pride/K-1 "Shockwave"

Bob Sapp vs. Rodrigo "Minotauro" Nogueira was the wild spectacle that happened in the biggest mixed martial arts event ever "Shockwave." In this fight, we saw Sapp practically pile drive Nogueira. Luckily, Nogueira did not land on his head. Nogueira proved himself once again by making Sapp tap out to an arm bar less than a minute into the second round. The two fighters gave fans a fight for the ages. ''

I'll see if I can find a video of this.

[Tom Yum]

Sudo vs. Butterbean - Pride FC.

Sudo is a 150lb Japanese MMA er
Bean is a 300 lb Toughman Superheavyweight champ

Sudo won via submission- Bean's jab would have knocked Sudo down; he allmost connected with one and it knocked him half way across the ring. Sudo keeps moving and sets up a few kicks to test Bean, then lands a jumping knee into Beans head - Bean falls ontop of Sudo, but is merely stunned where he tries to pummel the smaller man on the ground.

Sudo slips out really fast and gets ahold of Beans leg.

[SamuraiGuy]

Hey thanks for trying to find the video and giving me more info on that umm Noguiera (sp?) fight... ill try to find out some stuff about that too. thanks.

[EmptyneSs]

if u download bearshare, u can download tons of martial arts vids. they got alotta k1 videos too. bearshare is the best p2p program, as u can dl anything u want.

[SamuraiGuy]

Wouldnt kazaa just do the same?

[SamuraiGuy]

Well kazaa isnt the same bearshare is much better ... found just what i needed real quick.. got that sapp being armbarred thing..

[SamuraiGuy]

Hey just wondering about that whole Kano Judo example of ten units/ 7 units of strength thing.. did u get that from the book... and could I get this book at my local library... or is that whole paragreaph thing quoted on the internet.. .because id love to use that but I have to cite it... soo any help with that would be great.

[Tant01]

Hey just wondering about that whole Kano Judo example of ten units/ 7 units of strength thing.. did u get that from the book... and could I get this book at my local library... or is that whole paragreaph thing quoted on the internet.. .because id love to use that but I have to cite it... soo any help with that would be great.

I've already posted the link to the Judoinfositedotcom....


The article is here; http://judoinfo.com/kano2.htm The last sentence (i used)was taken from his book.

ISBN4-7700-1799-5


Same story, same teacher, seperate sources.

[shuyun]

well if you noticed it was still a comparable weight category, he said 7 units not 1. Even in the gentle way strength matters. ever thrown a dude 4 times your own weight? technique or no it still is a big thing to do.

at a certain point the argument becomes rediculous if you comsider extreme strength. even if we were endowed with all the legendary abilities of hyped martial artists we wouldn't dare fight with the Hulk would we? (I know he's not real, that's not the point) It's an exageration but a valid one.

Which is why I hated the super strength vs. super chi episode of Lois and Clark some years back.

To the unfamiliar:

Some one stole an artifact that made the wearer an I-ching master (looked like tai chi or baguazhang in execution). So when they were faced off with superman, he redirected superman such that he could throw the man of steel.

okay okay i went along with the stretch but what was bad was superman "needed" to learn I-ching to beat the I-ching master. He evaded his punches with a sommersault (what the? couldn't he fly in the first place?)finished of the guy with a spinning back kick (wasn't that a TKD move?), and lived!

heck, what ever redirection skill if superman stayed in place no bulldozer can uproot him! then he just oughta used the superbreath thing.

Technique is GOOD. strength is good but one can beat the other within the right context. Martial artists should be wary that they are not invulnerable and not unbeatable.