Anyone see the pizza fight video?

[Andrew WA]

There are plently of idiots in the world like in this video. Those 2 people had no right to do what they did. I have seen a lot where some stupid woman is spazzing out and cussing over nothing and her ashole fat huge boyfriend comes in to make a huge deal out of nothing. Poeple like this need to be killed. Im so sick of total arrogant assholes in the world who will fight anyone at the drop of a hat.

Ive seen people cut in line plenty of times like this girl did. Its anoying. I hope that huge guy gets gang raped in prison by an even bigger bad guy.

[Tom Yum]

I have seen a lot where some stupid woman is spazzing out and cussing over nothing and her ashole fat huge boyfriend comes in to make a huge deal out of nothing.

There are people like that. Takes alot of heart to deal with it.

[georgie]

heh

wow fat albert is pretty slow . id love to drive my fingers in his eyeballs and boot f$%k his head . maybe he could do a good imitation of ray charles. now some bitch in prison is gonna make bubba real happy.

[Andrew WA]

ok

Just because a white guy gets attacked does not mean that he said anything racist. Have you ever thought that black people can be racist towards whites as well? Its stupid to just assume a guy said something racial to the girl because he happened to be white. That guy could have been anyone. It seems to me that there is a better chance that the black couple was racist instead of the white guy.
Anyway the world is full of evil violent people who will kill for absolutely nothing. Our country is raising these types of people!!!
This kind of thing can happen to ANYONE of us at ANYTIME! We need to keep training hard and remember to just freaking bACK DOWN no MATTER WHAT!! Its not worth your life if you miss out on a pizza. Dont be a doormat but still dont let things escalate this bad.

And remember eye balls are good targets and his groin is as well, back off fast and go for knee joints. The guy will most likely charge you like a football player get the heck out of there and call the cops on your cell. Even run into the pizza kitchen and hide or hope the manager will help you.

Also if your a bystander you better freaking do your duty as a human being and help another person who needs it!! Dont be a freaking chicken dickless selfish jerk!! Help your fellow man!! There were plently of men in that restaurant who could have jumped that fat ass and all of them could have at least knocked him out or held him down. Its so great a camera was there to get that guy in prison.

[pstevens]

Just goes to show how sad our world really is... We got people willing to kill for butting in line. Have come so far as to do nothing while people are getting the snot beat outta them? Chivalry is really dead. Just look at the attitudes and expressions on the bystander's faces - they're blank. They don't care. At what point should another human life matter?

In some cases, I understand doing nothing. I was in the drive-thru line at Taco Hell one night and some folks in the back were getting very upset at the car at the pick-up window. The driver at the pick-up window got mad and walked over. Although my girlfriend told me not to, I felt it was my civil duty to prevent any violence. Well, the guy attacked me instead. I received a bruised cheekbone for my troubles and it wasn't until I pinned him down and told him that if he swung at me again, I would choke him unconscious that he began to listen to reason.

In my opinion, the guy who got whacked should have immediately made his way out. Get out of it, a pizza isn't worth it. If he corners you, then you have something to fight for. But most guys are right, the fight was coming when the big black guy pushed his girlfriend outta the way. At this point, it's a really bad idea to talk reason - should have been throwing bombs already.

[unclejoe357]

He could have easily avoided the sucker punch. The right handed haymaker is probobly the most common attack there is. Its very important to have a defence for it. When somebody is that close and you sence danger, you better have your hands up and try to make distance. You can be in your fighting stance or rub both hands together at chest level as if they were cold. That way, you have a much better chance of blocking an incoming strike.

Under ideal circumstances I would have delivered a shot of OC spray to both of them, if I didnt have it they would have been at gunpoint. If I was unarmed the woman would have recieved 4+ strikes to the face followed by her boyfriend. Woman or not, she had made physical contact and racial remarks, her and her boyfriend were posing a threat and you have the camera and every person in the room as your witnesses. Women are capable of everything men are including, and not limited to murder.

Would I have helped the guy out? Yes. Would most people? No. Dont count on somebody coming to your aid.

[Andrew WA]

Well a lot of people dont know how to fight and if they do its very scarey when a huge guy comes up to you. You are afraid that if you do hit him he will totally kill you and be even more enraged. So its kind of scarey.

Also what is the law about hitting first?

You have to have a strong mental attitude to be able to just start beating on some huge guy because even I dont know what I would have done...I would have at least took my keys out and put them in my knuckles and jamed them into him.

[Garth]

Hmm actually now it looks to me like the first punch was pretty slow... The big guy brought his arm back for like two full seconds before he swung, there was lotsa time to block it. The problem was, the victim had looked down (although I still think he should have seen it coming out of the corner of his eye). The lesson here is, if someone is in your face, do NOT look down! You don't have to look into his eyes, but do not look away.

But if the black dude had missed, then that might have been humiliating for him, so he might have gotten even madder. I don't think there was any way for the victim to avoid the fight by talking or reasoning.

As for racist remarks, the video was shown on TV and the sound was a lot clearer than on this video clip. The fat bitch walked to the front of the line and demanded service, and the guy with the phone said something on the phone like "honey I'm gonna be a little late with the pizza" and he didn't even say it in a rude way or anything so the woman's actions were 100% unjustified. I don't know why some people feel the need to look for excuses for the attackers' actions. Then the woman said to her boyfriend "take care of this white mother fucker" and the big dude pushed her aside and hit the man with the phone.

If it was me, I would've fought dirty. I know I'm not gonna win against a 6 foot 300 pound guy in a grappling match so fighting dirty is teh only way, I would've kneed him in the nuts, poked him in the eyes, and so on.

As for the guys standing there not helping, that was just pathetic. I hope they feel really bad right now like they should.

[kiddbjj]

there are at least four other guys in the store yet no one stepped in to at least pull the big guy off... i think this has more to do with shock than a lack of chivalry... the peoples faces were blank because they were trying to comprehend just what the hell and why it went down the way it did... most people would have never seen someone go off like that before and therefore have to in built response in their brains to react with anything but suprise... it is a damn shame though... personally i think that the woman was the real instigator, the guy on the phone did his best not to hit a woman and ended up getting taken out for it.... pretty disgusting in my opinion

[Patrick G.]

your sense of awareness is the most important attribute you should develop, as a martial artist, and as a human being..

[Yu Law]

If it was me, I would've fought dirty. I know I'm not gonna win against a 6 foot 300 pound guy in a grappling match so fighting dirty is teh only way, I would've kneed him in the nuts, poked him in the eyes, and so on.

As for the guys standing there not helping, that was just pathetic. I hope they feel really bad right now like they should.

This is y im really not a big fan of Bjj and JJ. Not being the biggest guy myself, i wouldn't be able to protect myself efficiently in the streets. Sure you grapplers would be able to beat a guy around your size if they were just throwing down "no weapons" but with a mass of pple or against a huge fatass, you'd have no chance.

I believe that grappling is onyl effective in the ring and against someone your own size. Sure a really good samll guy could beat a big guy in a cage match but its diff. in a samll pizza store with no room and no margin for error.

IF it were me beign attacked, i would have been ready for his punch b/c
#1 althoguh it was a heavy punch it was slow.
#2 I practice defending this punch multiple times a week.

Fat Albert woulda ate fist and chain punches. Saying this i've been in situations like this, (well, not a guy this fat.) and am not being a cocky bastard.

[Andrew WA]

PS: Before you advocate the keys through the knuckles routine, try it on a heavy bag. They ram backwards into your own hand every bit as hard as into the other guy. Newton's Third Law and all. Also, if they fall to the floor in the scuffle (after you've broken and mangled your own hand using the technique), the bad guy now has the keys to your house, your car, and maybe your gun safe...

You are right about the key thing. Most keys do not have plastic or rubber guards at the end. My car keys just so happen to have a nice plastic casing on the big end of the key that make it 100% comfortable to jam into the ribs of some jerk. I would never do this with regular metal keys with no guard. If you buy a car make sure your keys have this plastic or rubber guard so you can use it for self defense. It works great! You will not have any cuts or bruises on your own hand. Only the tip of the key that sticks into the bad guy attacking you will happen.

[bodhisattva]

Actually, there are others reasons to not like it.

The first one being, it doesn't work, even with a good casing on the end of the key.

I'd MUCH rather club someone with my empty fist, than jab them with a piece of metal that is 2.5 inches long and less than a centimeter wide.

Do you REALLY think you are going to take out an attacker by putting tiny bruises and cuts on his rib cage?

In highschool, when two guys started kicking me while on the ground, I didn't feel it. I felt it, sure.. but it was a far-away sensation. And they were KICKING me.

And you REALLY think that if I approach you, ready to tear your head off, that a few jabbie-jabs in the rib with some keys are going to stop me? Dude. Even if you jab that key all the way into my flesh, I assure you, it won't even faze me in that mode. I'll think it was just a knuckle punch.

Just like all the guys that were stabbed with REAL KNIVES in the rib cage. They thought someone had knuckle punched them. Read it in police reports.

I don't say this to rip on you. I say it because it is a common myth that it's a good idea to use your car keys when someone attacks you..and that myth has had its day and needs put to rest.

[Andrew WA]

Actually, there are others reasons to not like it.

Well I don't agree. You seem to think that I was going to use keys to actually disable an oponent. That is not the case. I would only use it to give him a reaction to set him up. It would supprise him and do more damage, especially to the face. My keys with the plastic covering is NOT IN ANY WAY going to hurt my hand. So I am right...if you dont agree then fine...you can think I would be stupid if you want but I dont care I know it will work fine the way I would do it. Its just a beggining thing to do when the fight just starts or you catch them by suprise. And yes a key in the rib if you just randomly walked up to someone and jammed them with it would totally hurt them and set them off guard.

[THT]

And yes a key in the rib if you just randomly walked up to someone and jammed them with it would totally hurt them and set them off guard.

Perhaps if you just randomly walked up to them (not nice by the way ) but when they are already wigged out and attacking you? It may work well though. Next time you are attacked and able to remove your special keys from your pocket and position them just so in your hand and thrust them into your unaware attacker, please let us know how it works.