most effective street fighting style?

[medic06]

UNLESS you know GJJ then you can whip anyone....

except for maybe a Japanese pro wrestler

[BoarSpear]

except for maybe a Japanese pro wrestler

SHHHHH they dont like to cloud thier fantasies with reality around here....

[medic06]

SHHHHH they dont like to cloud thier fantasies with reality around here....

Oops, my bad

[BoarSpear]

You DO have a ponytail, don't you?


HAHAhahahahaaaaaaaaahahaahaa! Too funny! You're more of a joke than I thought!


You have an earring too, don't you?

Yeah i am a biker and have hair past my ass and a ponytail or braid keeps it from tangling when i ride. If you think im funny, how about the fact youre so scared when you aint behind that keyboard that you keep you hair like your mommie and society likes it...isnt that really what you are saying? The long hair and the martial arts dont have a damn thing to do with one another...ive got a long silver beard too boy, whats your point? oh your mommie doesnt like you talking to the bad men i get it...Well i like it because when little punks like you arent hiding behind keyboards, if they see me coming they cross the street...if you are so brainwashed to believe a guy who looks like a biker is bad then i dont wanna waste my time time talking to your insecure little punk ass anyway...keep thinking like your mommie clown.
and no, no earrings... i am niether a pirate or your daddy so i dont have earrings...nor tattoos... its stupid to make yourself easier to identify...i can cut my hair and beard if need be...but then you would probably want a date...

[Tant01]

oooh you were gonna ask it but you didnt... thats called semantics since you did second the question...
and yes it is hard to find training partners for training deadly techniques...its one of the obstacales to training TMA always has been always will be...Ever heard of Randori? Pehaps thats why i dont fit in here ..I didnt learn these techniques in a billboard school nor do i teach in one...

I was going to ask that because I am skeptical in part because of the casualness with which you posted "...its not really necessary to lead with the sloppy kick in fact i find it can hinder the torque needed to break the neck...

I did not ask because it leaves no honorable exit for you.



With respect always. Even if it's supposed to be in good fun.

I thought you wanted discourse about a street effective "combat proven" technique. I know a swivel head torquing technique but my RANDORI with that particular throwing technique is limited to livestock. It is illegal in Judo tournament rules to twist the neck or apply torque to isolated vertibra.

So the version of this THING...Shikoro-dori (gaeshi?) (twisting of the neckplates) that you do. (see: Koshiki no kata) It is to reley on sensitivity to apply only enough torque to off balance/ throw down the opponent or to break/kill the enemy? (both?)


You describe swinging around the pole and I know that a chin scooping technique to apply the torque can be a good throw I was taught to use Kuzushi even to twist first one way untill he begins to resist then instantly switch the direction of rotation. Is why you lead his chin away (push a bit) then apply your technique as intended. (Usually with both hands) Other variations exist I am sure as the positional names are all variations of twisting. To over rotate a joint is just another way to apply the Jujutsu. A critical and unsportsman like way so is not judo, no?


fish hooking the cheek, toung chokes, the mandible as a lever, orbits... etc. You know, if you grab a bull by the tail he can poop on ya...


Always go for the horns.

[Tant01]

Yeah i am a biker and have hair past my ass and a ponytail or braid keeps it from tangling when i ride. If you think im funny, how about the fact youre so scared when you aint behind that keyboard that you keep you hair like your mommie and society likes it......

...i dont have earrings...nor tattoos... its stupid to make yourself easier to identify...i can cut my hair and beard if need be...but then you would probably want a date...

What kind of Harley do you ride?


My wife won't let me date so you're safe from me... I wouldn't mind a ride on your hog though... LOL

[BoarSpear]

I was going to ask that because I am skeptical in part because of the casualness with which you posted "...its not really necessary to lead with the sloppy kick in fact i find it can hinder the torque needed to break the neck...

I did not ask because it leaves no honorable exit for you.



With respect always. Even if it's supposed to be in good fun.

I thought you wanted discourse about a street effective "combat proven" technique. I know a swivel head torquing technique but my RANDORI with that particular throwing technique is limited to livestock. It is illegal in Judo tournament rules to twist the neck or apply torque to isolated vertibra.

So the version of this THING...Shikoro-dori (gaeshi?) (twisting of the neckplates) that you do. (see: Koshiki no kata) It is to reley on sensitivity to apply only enough torque to off balance/ throw down the opponent or to break/kill the enemy? (both?)


You describe swinging around the pole and I know that a chin scooping technique to apply the torque can be a good throw I was taught to use Kuzushi even to twist first one way untill he begins to resist then instantly switch the direction of rotation. Is why you lead his chin away (push a bit) then apply your technique as intended. (Usually with both hands) Other variations exist I am sure as the positional names are all variations of twisting. To over rotate a joint is just another way to apply the Jujutsu. A critical and unsportsman like way so is not judo, no?


fish hooking the cheek, toung chokes, the mandible as a lever, orbits... etc. You know, if you grab a bull by the tail he can poop on ya...


Always go for the horns.

i was casual about the leg variation because i found it very tough to do while someone was holding your leg...not to mention how difficult it becomes if they are resisting (how dare they ) by trying to break it or throw you down by it....
i see now that the majority of participants of this forum have no idea about training for life and death combatives and will cease trying to explain the difference in dojo martial arts and those of soldiers. my bad if trying to offer a tidbit of info i had learned through many years of trial and error to help another in thier training isnt welcome...by all means let the who can beat up who macho b.s continue.

[BoarSpear]

What kind of Harley do you ride?


My wife won't let me date so you're safe from me... I wouldn't mind a ride on your hog though... LOL

One that is as picky as my wife...I am the only man who gets to ride it
and whats this Harley stuff? I am an indian man all the way...

[Tant01]

... i see now that the majority of participants of this forum have no idea about training for life and death combatives ...

...by all means let the who can beat up who macho b.s continue.

My dad(dy) is a Merchant Marine. He was a Machinists Mate in the Navy back in the 1950's and actually trained in hand to hand combat with former Japanese Imperial Marines. (Tanaka Jujutsu) I think my dad could take you because he has a chain fed mini gun mounted to the bow of his tiny little ship. Too bad he's down in El Salvador or he'd show you! LOL


Indians are rare these days but WAY BETTER THAN than A HARLEY DAVISON! Now I really want a ride!

[BoarSpear]

I was going to ask that because I am skeptical in part because of the casualness with which you posted "...its not really necessary to lead with the sloppy kick in fact i find it can hinder the torque needed to break the neck...

I did not ask because it leaves no honorable exit for you.



With respect always. Even if it's supposed to be in good fun.

I thought you wanted discourse about a street effective "combat proven" technique. I know a swivel head torquing technique but my RANDORI with that particular throwing technique is limited to livestock. It is illegal in Judo tournament rules to twist the neck or apply torque to isolated vertibra.

So the version of this THING...Shikoro-dori (gaeshi?) (twisting of the neckplates) that you do. (see: Koshiki no kata) It is to reley on sensitivity to apply only enough torque to off balance/ throw down the opponent or to break/kill the enemy? (both?)

Exactly...these days i use it to spin people into a naked strangle hold and help them find the door...dont like getting bled on in this day and age...not to mention if you mess up thier face they dont come back till it heals and thats lost income...
however when i was taught the technique it was stressed that you rotated the head over the LEFT shoulder as you did this...it was a tool recommended for dealing with an sombo or systema trained adversary if you blew a stalk and he turned as you rose up...people often have knife fantasies about sentry removal...they have never heard how loud the gurgles can be...not to mention the smell and heels kicking the ground alerting nearby unfriendlies..so we were taught a technique to turn the adams apple to applesauce so to speak ...nice benifit he doesnt ruin his uniform ( at least not the top half )...it also gives more control to lower him to the ground for noise control...

You describe swinging around the pole and I know that a chin scooping technique to apply the torque can be a good throw I was taught to use Kuzushi even to twist first one way untill he begins to resist then instantly switch the direction of rotation. Is why you lead his chin away (push a bit) then apply your technique as intended. (Usually with both hands) Other variations exist I am sure as the positional names are all variations of twisting. To over rotate a joint is just another way to apply the Jujutsu. A critical and unsportsman like way so is not judo, no?

VERY unsporstman like I was taught combat judo so unsportsman like was the whole idea...no such thing as dirty fighting...one rule... win or die...

fish hooking the cheek, toung chokes, the mandible as a lever, orbits... etc. You know, if you grab a bull by the tail he can poop on ya...


Always go for the horns.

sounds like good advice...

[BoarSpear]

Keep diggin' the whole hole, @sshole. You expose yourself more and more as a kung-fraud with every word. Are you actually reading the ads from the back of 'Karate For Kids' magazine as you write?

I figure you are about three posts away from claiming that you train Navy Seals and can kill with a no-touch Ki attack.

No a##hole i was an explosive ordinance disposal assistant in the navy ...wanna compare DD-214's?... oh you have never even been in the boy scouts much less the service? then STFU.

And while I'm sure the 'Flying Sparrow Takes a Piss' spinning jumping ballet defense works great on whatever idiots might be foolish enough to actually think they can learn from the likes of you (should they even exist outside your fevered imagination), I'm equally sure you and the gang at the stripmall have never even seen a decent takedown in your misbegotten lives.

spoken like the world heavywieght champion of internet kung fu

Why don't you run along and comb out your pony tail now, champ?

Why dont you go apply more sunscreen to your bald head, fat boy i think it must have sweat off from all that exertion it took you to type more than your usual one liners....

[LoneHusky]

Yeah i am a biker and have hair past my ass and a ponytail or braid keeps it from tangling when i ride. If you think im funny, how about the fact youre so scared when you aint behind that keyboard that you keep you hair like your mommie and society likes it...isnt that really what you are saying? The long hair and the martial arts dont have a damn thing to do with one another...ive got a long silver beard too boy, whats your point? oh your mommie doesnt like you talking to the bad men i get it...Well i like it because when little punks like you arent hiding behind keyboards, if they see me coming they cross the street...if you are so brainwashed to believe a guy who looks like a biker is bad then i dont wanna waste my time time talking to your insecure little punk ass anyway...keep thinking like your mommie clown.
and no, no earrings... i am niether a pirate or your daddy so i dont have earrings...nor tattoos... its stupid to make yourself easier to identify...i can cut my hair and beard if need be...but then you would probably want a date...

That's cool you're a biker but long hair does effect martial arts because your opponent could pull on your hair or you could use your hair to choke him. also good move on not making yourself easy to identify.

[Tom Yum]

That's cool you're a biker but long hair does effect martial arts because your opponent could pull on your hair or you could use your hair to choke him. also good move on not making yourself easy to identify.

LoneHusky, you're monotonic low voice style and stoic face are creeping into your writing style...

[jubaji]

And he admits it!!!!!!!!!!!

Yeah i am a biker and have hair past my ass and a ponytail or braid keeps it from tangling when i ride. )

Which one of the Village People were you?

[jubaji]

Yeah i have hair past my ass

Actually, in your case that could mean that you have really short hair!