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Who would win in such a challenge?
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but there is probably heaps of guys who challenged rickson to a fight who had proven themselves? i just dont get why bas's challenge should stand out from others.second...rickson should have given bas a chance. by 1997, he had more than proven himself, (2 wins over frank shamrock to name a few).
but then he lost to ken sham so......To be honest I think if there was anyone who could of taken him it would of been Bas...... Like you said he beat Frank shamrock twice, plus he defeated Funaki. These were some of the top fighters in Pancrase.....Comment
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Yeah, that's true he never beat Ken Shamrock... But when he challenged Rickson it was later in his career, A good while after he fought Ken.. And by that time Bas's ground skills were alot better than they were back when he fought Ken....Comment
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im sure rickson got challenged by a lot of guys...but bas isnt just your average fighter.
rickson fought a whole lot worse fighters...who the hell is david lavicki? also...yuki nakai? yuki couldnt have weighed more than 130 when he fought rickson.
WELL MAKO VICTIM, since you wont say it...i will... rickson didnt fight bas because he wanted to keep his perfect record. he would rather fight meatballs like nobuhiko takada.Comment
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I'm not trying to diss Rickson or anything, but I think you got a point.. I know people were'nt as skilled back then, but they only REALLY good fighter I can name that Rickson fought was Zulu..Originally posted by zhorner
I'm not so sure if Rickson was really afraid of Bas [hell I know I would] but I would like to hear Ricksons side of the story. The only problem with that is he does'nt speak about it or anything...Comment
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dude im no takada fan but he fought some big names. he went the distance with cro cop(draw) and royce( lost by decision) and he beat coleman.
Dont get me wrong, i think bas is awsome but theres a few fighters in his fight record who are no names also, and rickson finished all his opponents, no decisions.Comment
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Just so everyone knows where I stand on this, I'd have to say it'd be 50/50... Rickson would have to beat Bas really QUICK though. And not mess around with him. A few kicks to the liver and Rickson could be hurt bad. Even in the clinch he'd still have to watch out for them knees and liver kicks..Originally posted by Tom YumComment
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dude...Originally posted by electrorok
rickson is a great fighter
bas is a great fighter
he should have given bas the chance...he deserved it more than anyone else. 2 legends fighting each other...that would have been a great fight, (actually it probably would have ended with some cut in the first round and dissappointed us all).Comment
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Here's what Bas himself said about it http://209.196.181.64/interarchives/ruttenint2.html ... It's at the 4th or 5th question when he start's talking about Rickson....Comment
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Rickson was a great fighter in a time when many fighters were still one-dimensional, and he exploited it. However, as time progressed, the fight game did too... That's why I have more respect for Bas - he fought the guys who knew how to grapple, submit and strike, and won.
As explained in the Chris Davis thread below, Rickson beat a bunch of BJJ guys in its infancy. The BJJ of yesterday is far different today. They hardly worked leg locks and many techniques were frowned upon. As any BJJ person who is open-minded and they'll tell you that BJJ gradually took as much from other arts, as they have taken from BJJ. This is why we have MMA... It's become a complete system.Comment
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Before Sakuraba ran into The Axe Murderer, he was slotted for a fight against Rickson. The deal was in negotiations, and when asked about Sak's match, Rickson's only comment (to my instructor) was, "I hope Mr. Sakuraba wins." RG was planning to go into training mode if Sak pulled it off. Unfortunately, the axe came down and the world never got to see that match.Originally posted by zhorner
In 1996-97, Rickson was dealing only with the Japanese, and already demanding real money for his fights. Most pro matches didn't pay well then, and most pay poorly now, especially compared to boxing. If the money wasn't there to back it, RG had little reason to take a match with Bas. His reputation was already established and he was making money teaching. If he was going to risk it, it had to offer a significant incentive. The fact that he was touted as the champion of the family placed additional pressure on any match decisions. Bas had little to lose, and everything to gain.
Hell, was there ANYONE that DIDN'T challenge Rickson at some point? Strangely, very few accepted his dojo challenge, even though that was their best chance to catch him unprepared for a match. Hmmm... maybe Bas was more interested than the $$ than the outcome? Doesn't matter. It didn't happen, and RG has shown little interest in fighting since Rockson died. RG's in his mid forties and his knees aren't great, and he's got a few more kids to raise, love and train. What is there for him to win?Comment
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This is really a moot point, since the whole idea of NHB, MMA and the professional venue of fighting is in front of a crowd, for money. That's like saying, Mike Tyson doesn't want to fight you in the ring, but he'll fight you at his training facility... NO PROFESSIONAL FIGHTER WOULD ACCEPT THAT!Originally posted by JasonE
Ofcourse Bas was interested in the money, and he also wanted to elevate his status - that's basically the whole point of fighting. You can't blame a guy for doing that. But, the point everyone here is making is that Bas and Rickson could have fought for the sake of professionalism and sportsmanship.Comment
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What I don't understand is why would Rickson accept a challenge from Takada, and Funaki but not Bas... Has anyone here even seen Takadas record, it's pretty bad.. Funakis record is pretty decent but still.....Comment
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what is wrong with you monkeys????????????
what mako and i are trying to say is...bas isnt just anyone.
you keep saying..."who didnt challenge rickson, der der der who didnt challenge him"
it doesnt matter who challenged him...the fact is BAS challenged him.
you idgets act like it was just some average guy asking him to fight.
i hate you all
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To be honest I don't even know how much of Ricksons 400-0 record is really true.. I can find almost no proof at all to support it. Even Helio Gracie said it was BS.
I really don't like to say this but I'm not so sure if Rickson is half as tough as I use to think he was...Comment
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