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Who is dumb enough to purposely go to the ground in a streetfight.
I read a post early that said most of the people in this forum believe that a boxer has no chance against a grappler. First, of all I think this is bullshit. If a boxer is fast enough he can easilly end a fight with one punch. If anyone has read the Tao of Jeet Kun Do by Bruce Lee he writes that fights should be ended with the least minimal effort possible (one knockout punch or kick). Now in streetfight a grappler would have to takedown his opponent, gain control, and then end it with a submission, giving his opponent plenty of chances to punch him in the head. Now I hardly call this minimal effort. This is one of the reasons I belive BJJ is way overrated. It is defineately not a style of fighting a person should depend on in a streetfight, if it is one-on-one maybe. I don't know how many of you all have been in a real fight, but it is never one-on-one. It is stupid to purposely go to the ground because the opponent may have friends or even a single girlfriend that can come up and give you a good kick to the head and really **** you up. Don't get me wrong I believe you do need grappling skills just in case you do both end up on the ground, but I believe it is more impotant to train in various types of martial arts, particularly in your stand-up game. Like many martial artists say now 90% of all fights end up on the ground, but 100% start on your feet.
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Very true.Thats why most here crosstrain.Those that do just BJJ are mostly in it for sport.There is a big differance between BJJ and vale tudo. -
Why did Royce dominate those strikers who thought they were "fast enough" to KO him...
I am primarily a stand up fighter with some ground skills... but I still think the pure grappler has a better chance against a pure striker...
Its way easier to close the distance and take someone down than to score the one hit KO...then again...depends on the individual and the situation...
yes..it is foolish to purposely go to the ground in the street cos of multiple attackers etc..
but in the old posts I think we were talking bout a one on one situation and in that context...I think the grappler has the advantage...
If Bruce were alive today..I bet he'd have studied alot of BJJ and grappling and thrown away alot of his striking...
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Dark Yellow Sky-
How many years of grappling experiance do u have to make this conclusion?
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Getting confused
Ok am i suppose to focus on cross training bjj and stand up should i focus more on the stand up? Im 5feet 7inches tall and only weigh 140pounds. If a 200pound guy hits me square its lights out for me. On the other hand am i suppose to do Bjj if its do dangerous for me to go to the ground eventually hes going to choke slam me face first in the pavement. Alright enough about me what do you all think about going to the ground vs standup and why. Maybe i should spend my money on a good pair off hall ass track sneaks and study run like hell fu
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I'm trying to think of a halfway-decent wrestler who's been KO'd during a shoot in a UFC/IFC/Pride, or whatever. I can't think of one. Anyone?Comment
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Mark Kerr
If my memory serves me correctly a guy tried to shoot in on Mark Kerr and had his head down. Mark Kneed him in his face and the guy was out cold.Comment
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Yeah, that was Ranger Stott. He wasn't a wrestler, though. He was a R.I.P.-er. What the heck did that stand for, again?Comment
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I am a big supporter of mixing grappling with striking. But I think that grappling in the steet is not the best way to go. In the street, the best things one can use from BJJ are the dominate positions and the positional escapes. If you want a good argument against grappling ion the street, read the article entitled "The Grappling Paradox" on Tony Blauers's website (www.tonyblauer.com).Comment
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i've been in 8 on 1 (1 being me) fights, i've been in 4 on 3 fights, and i've been in 1 on 1 fights. all of them had some aspect of grappling involved. bjj alone won't save you and it's ludicrous to think that it would, but it's equally ill-informed to say that you should never take a real fight to the ground... most people don't have ground fighting skills, so when you get too close or go to the ground they have no idea what to do (i.e. you'll have an easy time finding a dominant position). it might be the quickest, easiest way to end the fight... i've seen a one punch knock out happen ONCE in the 6 or 7 fights that i've been in, and all of the fights that i've witnessed... i've also sparred with a few mid-level TKD guys, taken them down and had them tapping or mounted and stopped before they could toss a punch (let me also mention that i have taken many a hit and kick)... this was before i took bjj, when i was training in sombo.Comment
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Thanx for the replies.
This is for Martial Artist: I started in judo when I was 5 and did that for almost 5 years, I then wrestled for about 7 years in freestlye and collegiate, and then I was in Aikido for almost a year. And I have currently been studying submission grappling for almost a year. I think that is enough grappling experience. Not to mention I have been in my share of street fights and I know what works for me to be able to fight another day.
This is for Bau13: Those fighters that got beat by Royce Gracie, only thought they were fast enough, doesn't mean they were. If you are in a streetfight there is no way of knowing if your opponent is fast enough to put your lights out. And your answer to Bruce Lee. Bruce Lee did know grappling, he trained with Gene LeBell on several occasions. But Bruce Lee was so incredibly fast and strong, that he would end fights with one hit, because thats all he would need to do. Bau13, I can tell you have never read Tao of Jeet Kun Do, you should read it before you put another dumb comment up like you did.
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"The Grappling Paradox" isn't really an argument against grappling on the street, but more like what your options should be.Comment
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I have all the respect in the world for Bruce, his skills and what he did for MA...I took up MA because if him...
I know Bruce did grappling and I know he trained some with Gene..yes bruce was incredibly fast and strong ..so??
That means that ANY striker can KO a grappler at will??
youre right I havent read tao of jeet kune do...
Guess that means I dont know anything bout fighting...
If Bruce were alive today, with the way martial arts is evolving so much there would probably be like 7 or more volumes of tao of jeet kune do by now....
wake up ...
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dumb comment? I'm sorry, i agree with Bau13 on this one, i'm a big Bruce fan but the bottom line is he was good but not THAT good.... His incredible speed and power came really from his knowledge of applying body mechanics, not from some natural ability, his fitness combined with good techinque made him an excellent fighter but i'm sure a lot of people could close the distance on him then and today. oh, and tao of JKD was never intended to be published by Bruce, it's mainly a collection of Bruce's personal notes, some of it lifted directly from an old boxing manual and also quotes from the likes of krishnamurti... Bruce's fighting method evolved continuously, so a book about Bruce's fighting method would be very different today than in 1960...Comment
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Ive been in several fights and they were ALL one on ones in fact the only fights ive ever seen where someone just gets jumped are from that person starting $hit cause they think their a bad ass or they want everyone else to think they are.Comment
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