So you think BJJ is effective for street self defense?

[SamuraiGuy]

I am durnk as **** and I ink this is ukes fucking thread, where hfucking bad mouths this fucking bjj style, man **** you, buddy, bjj is the shit and you know it, mma all up in this ass, isnt anyone else excited hserk will molest florian, I'm waiting for this bitch to call and im so drunk, sooooooo durnk you dont even know... oh man... I ogtta say though you cant fuckig with jitz bwcaue it so fucking dominate man.. as one style even just for defnese shit you get fucked up, 12:52 and I'm so drunk
man I drank so much you dont even know, some rum /tequiola siht going on and I dont even like that rum shit, its fucking grsoss, idrin kthe whiskey but in thiscase I'm fucking drunk and I just got some bitch to randomly email one of her fine ass asian friends and im fucking down she called me gorgeous cause I fucking am, man you dont even know, I'd fucking murder yo uall, I a,m slaughing myass off, buddy its so fucked up wjho am i calling buddy oh manyim touch typing now and I hope its fucking legible cause i got my face downs othe tavle and I dont even fucking know, and now some guy just gsigned into msn, man this is such a fucke dup post, I thik I should just post the hsit and get laughed at in the morning, some drunk as ****, and I gotta go find that girl, fucking eh, buddies thats write , err right, fucking eh, drunks as **** .. l mao... FUCKING EH, GSP IN YOUOUR BTICH ASSES< HE FUCKKING WRECKS YOUR HSIT ASS ESPECIALLY BJ PENN>. fuckman... drunk as ****... rujmtequila..drooling.. now... lol
sucked it bakc up though, ****.. later boyhzx.

[jubaji]

Even that is more believable than hOmoPlata's nonsense!

[Yu Law]

very true medic....i live in queens and live in a pretty bad neighborhood.....i have had only 2 street fights recently (had alot a few years ago) and have been jumped by 24 people (24 vs 4) that was not fun but i did manage to not get hurt thank god...i did manage to take out like 8 ppl and had the privlidge of being eye gouged (i have high tollerance for that and biting ) but yea other then those 2 occassions i have not been in a fight since. These were about a year ago,i think some people get caught up in the self defense thing....alot of people never even get into a streetfight or get attacked in their adult life and if they do it woulnt happen again the chances are a couple of million to 1.Hey u never kno though but to make it your most important reason to train seems to be a little bit shitty in my opinion.If u live in a really bad area of town or you job/lifestyle(mostly going to bars and getting drunk) then hey it best damn be your numero uno priority.Alot of people live in good areas and train self defense as a priority which is kinda dumb but to each his own i guess.

Well, it's not always about self defence, some pple train simply b/c they like it. Y do pple play basketball all day or join rec. sport teams? They like it.

While some pple do train self-defence immensly to prepare for an actual fight, it's also about confidence. Even though I don't live in an area like your (thank god) unless u live in Italy (very low crime rate) there's always goign to be the threat of crime. Im sure you're not scared to go to places late at night, etc... some pple r b/c they dont knwo how to defend themselves.

Btw, 40 on 4 and none of the 40 guys had knives, machetes or bats? U 4 got lucky. Cause i've seen fights where 20 guys jumped 5 and all 20 had extendos, bats pipes with them. Yah, stupid.

[jubaji]

unless u live in Italy (very low crime rate) .

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[SamuraiGuy]

Even that is more believable than hOmoPlata's nonsense!

Even a drunk SG kics homop[latas ass... whoot motherfuckers..

[Garland]

I am durnk as **** and I ink this is ukes fucking thread, where hfucking bad mouths this fucking bjj style, man **** you, buddy, bjj is the shit and you know it, mma all up in this ass, isnt anyone else excited hserk will molest florian, I'm waiting for this bitch to call and im so drunk, sooooooo durnk you dont even know... oh man... I ogtta say though you cant fuckig with jitz bwcaue it so fucking dominate man.. as one style even just for defnese shit you get fucked up, 12:52 and I'm so drunk
man I drank so much you dont even know, some rum /tequiola siht going on and I dont even like that rum shit, its fucking grsoss, idrin kthe whiskey but in thiscase I'm fucking drunk and I just got some bitch to randomly email one of her fine ass asian friends and im fucking down she called me gorgeous cause I fucking am, man you dont even know, I'd fucking murder yo uall, I a,m slaughing myass off, buddy its so fucked up wjho am i calling buddy oh manyim touch typing now and I hope its fucking legible cause i got my face downs othe tavle and I dont even fucking know, and now some guy just gsigned into msn, man this is such a fucke dup post, I thik I should just post the hsit and get laughed at in the morning, some drunk as ****, and I gotta go find that girl, fucking eh, buddies thats write , err right, fucking eh, drunks as **** .. l mao... FUCKING EH, GSP IN YOUOUR BTICH ASSES< HE FUCKKING WRECKS YOUR HSIT ASS ESPECIALLY BJ PENN>. fuckman... drunk as ****... rujmtequila..drooling.. now... lol
sucked it bakc up though, ****.. later boyhzx.

You sound EXACTLY like my jewish buddy Jason. It's kinda scary, actually.

[jorickdd]

even considering many people wear knifes and have friends by their sides. And assuming the arguments of the topicstarter for true, this still means in like 20% of the streetfights BJJ WILL be effective.
Besides that.. I've seen many streetfights but I've never seen anyone pulling a knife. Occasions people breaking glasses or so were rare, and even more rare they were using those.

[Tim McFatridge]

Sorry guys if any of you have already stated what I am about to here I did not read thru all of the post just the first two pages. I train in a weapon based art (Lucaylucay Kali and LAMECO Eskrima) and I am also a Blue Belt in BJJ and have other training as well. The main problem I see with BJJ is not the actual techniques in the system but instead the way people train them. I see alot of people training in BJJ with strictly a sport mindset if you want to make BJJ even more street effective all you have to do is train with the street in mind. In other words when you pull guard on someone instead of laying on your back and "playing the game" with them like we all do in the "classroom", then as soon as you hit the ground go for a submission. Also no one ever said that just because do bjj or wrestling or sambo or catch that you have to go to the ground in a fight and if you do go the ground no one said that you have to stay there. You can always go for a sub and if you can not get one then you can work on getting back to your feet. There is also standing grappling, you can always slam the guy and give him something to think about. I was at a club in North Fort Worth many years ago and watched these twoguys get into a fight and the entire fight lasted maybe two seconds. One guy who was about 5'8 and probably 175 and the other guy was about 6'0 and probably 210 was mouthing off to each other and all of a sudden the little guy shot in for a single leg and took the guy. When the big guy hit the ground he hit his head and was out cold...fight over.

Uke you do make some good points but you can not assume that bjj will never work against a weapon. You excerise is a good one but a better one is to have the two guys sqaure off and have the one guy use his bjj against the other guy who his holding a training knife and trying to attack him. That is the main way you will be able to see how effective it is.

[sapatiero]

I agree that mindset is very important in BJJ.

Rorion & his sons teach self defense bjj as part of their classes, along with the sportive stuff. Strangely enough Carlos Gracie jr. teaches some bjj self defense in his classes, despite being the head of Gracie Barra who are very sport/MMA based. I've never seen Marcio Fetoza, Carlos Lemos jr., Piu piu Lagarto, or any of the other Barra black belts show much interest in teaching self defense. It's a shame, because I never want to be pulling guard in a street fight.

Personally I'd like to develop a rounded game that covers self defense/sport BJJ/MMA, along with a little striking & edged weapons work.

[Tim McFatridge]

I agree Sap, it would be nice if more people taught bjj in a self defense manner. I guess it all depends on what you are looking for or what you are trying to market. I like to include knife work in our ground fighting just to make everyone aware of the dangers. I will have them do some different drills using the knife once they are on the ground. The main idea behind the drills is to always maintain control of your opponents arms. I teach our guys to trap or pin the arms when they are on the ground. If they do not have them pinned then as soon as the see or feel thier opponent reach back then they immediately try to trap his arm so he can not pull it back.

[sapatiero]

Sounds like a great idea. Every now & then I ask the students to bring an old white t shirt + marker pen so they can see how important it is to run away if they can.

[MercilessMing]

If there is more place to walk away , i will avoid a fight . But if they cornered me , I will fight like a cornered rats , I will kick them in the genitals , Gouge their eyes , bite off their ears and everything to get away from them .

Seriously though , no one will try to fight a fight that they think or know that they cannot win . Walking away from a fight , that is self-defence , being smart enough when to stay away from unnessecery fight that is also self-defence and fighting like a cornered rat that is also self defence , everyone have the right to defend themselves . And I would rather not risk a skin or a black eye even though I know I can win a fight .

But picking a wrong fight , that is not bravery or self defences , that is folly .

[jubaji]

I will fight like a cornered rats , I will kick them in the genitals , Gouge their eyes , bite off their ears and everything to get away from them . .

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[Garland]

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Yeah man, I know.
Ming is merciless, hommie.

[jubaji]

Ming is clueless.