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  • #16
    Here is to give you a run down of what we have done the past three weeks. I am really hoping you can help give me some advice regarding what we should focus on. Remember, I have like two months of BJJ experience from college, so at least I have a little bit of experience with instructors, which maybe has helped me learn a bit better from the videos. I have tried to carefully map out the movies while watching and taking notes, and I try to think through all the moves. I know learning from these videos isn't even close to the ideal, but I do think that Rorion Gracie really tries to give you all the little details and lots of repetition.

    Anyway, to give you guys a run down... Wre have gone about 6 days a week for an hour and a half each day.

    Week One: I introduced my partner to the different positions, and we drilled some guard passes and reversals, just getting comfortable establishing a base, keeping it compact but loose, and then passing or reversing (and all the while concentrating on RELAXING and letting the other guy work hard.) We are still focusing on this.

    Week Two: Same as week one, but added in a couple simple submissions… keylock, hammerlock, some chokes, nothing complicated or fancy. Just kept drilling these and the stuff from week one.

    Week Three: Same as above, but added in armbars, triangle chokes, and a couple foot locks. We roll for a little bit, just hitting reversals and passes and getting a good base to warm up, then we drill in a semi-relaxed fashion where one guy can work his moves and the other gives him 60% resistance, and then spend the last half an hour going live, where we are both concentrating on getting our moves, etc.


    Since we both have a long wrestling background, it feels pretty natural to practice like this… I am more comfortable with the moves and positions, and am a lot better at just relaxing while we go, so I find that I can easier get my moves while he is trying to muscle and/or “outwrestle” me. So far, I am getting 95% of the chokes and locks, while he may only catch me every once in a while in the end of the workout when I am REALLY starting to gas (he is in good wrestling shape, whereas I am just getting back into Cardioshape.)

    I feel pretty good about how things are going. My buddy who is a bluebelt has only came once. Even when he came to watch us roll he said he was impresssed. He said that I am intermediate in skill level and that my partner has really good instincts and has been picking up the stuff I had taught him really well. Even while he was there, he had me teach the moves, because he said he really thinks that helps the intermediate guys get better, and he just made pointers and minor corrections. I think he is right about that, as I feel that just be teaching somebody else the moves point by point, it has helped me learn them much better. He said that our technique is pretty good, gave a couple of little pointers that really helped tighten things up, etc. He is just pretty damn busy and it doesnt look like he is going to get to come very often.

    Anyway, I was just hoping you guys could give me some feedback on how this looks/sounds, and give me some more suggestions as to HOW and WHAT to practice to keep our training going well. Again, ideally I am going to be able to head up to the Triangle Club and get some training with them... However, until that all works out, I need some of your collective, expert advice/suggestions.
    Thanks again fellas…

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    • #17
      hey cam do u train with sbg? i train at sbg ny man its great.

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      • #18
        JKD187,

        No I do not train at SBG because the nearest one is too far away but we do all of our training using SBG methods (Three I's, etc). I also had an instructor from the SBG down last friday to hold a class and train with the SBG regional director as often as possible.

        I have not found any instructors or teaching methods that compare to the SBG. I would like to affiliate but it will be a while because my club is still too small.

        I may be coming to New Jersey (Parsippany) later this year and was thinking about dropping in to an SBG if there was one nearby. How far are you from there.

        CitadelHooah,

        It sounds like what you are doing is pretty good. Once you and your friend get used to rolling then what I would do is just roll about until you find a situation that you are unsure of how to deal with it. Then the two of you should try and find solutions to it. Then try and find problems with the solutions, etc. Training this way will take a little longer to add submissions, moves, etc, but will result in you learning moves that work for you and remembering them when you need them.

        Cam

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        • #19
          Originally posted by CitadelHooah
          Thanks bro... I will probably bite the bullet and just buy it. If anybody knows any good source PM me. I will try to save as much loot as I can on that one! So far everywhere I have seen it has been pretty pricey.
          I just responded to your other thread about instructionals before seeing this thread, so... you've got another vote/recommendation for the Big DVDs of Combat. No offense, but IMHO, approx. $100.00 for 11+ hours of instruction on 7 DVDs - which is what you get from Bas's Big DVD set - is not pricey in the world of MMA instructionals - it's almost a steal. Bas sells them for about $114.95 through is website; BudoVideos.com sells it for about the same to my knowledge. You will not find much in the way of markdowns on this one because the deal is a great one from the get-go. Good luck with your training.

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          • #20
            From before...

            Yea man, I checked out the website. It looks really good. They seem like a good tight knit group with a strong lineage. All the main authenticity questions have really been answered already. I'd just be upfront about what your focus is and what you want to emphasize in your training. But its gonna be all good.

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            • #21
              Citadel,

              Since everyone wants to beat around the bush, let me give you some pointers. If you must learn from instructionals, get ones that represent BJJ where it is today. Good ones include: Mario Sperry, Pedro Carvalho, Roy Harris, Mike Jen or Cesar Gracie. All the other stuff is crap, especially the Renzo/Kukuk or Rorion/Royce stuff - they teach very basic stuff that doesn't work against other BJJ guys.

              Your training ought to consist of warm-ups & conditioning, positions, drills and rolling - in that order (many gyms train in that order).

              On a final note, I would not consider you intermediate level BJJ... You don't even know the basics yet! While many people will tell you that wrestling will help in your progression in BJJ/MMA, it can also be a hindrance. I've also wrestled for many years, even going to State for 2 years. Wrestling teaches an overreliance on strength... Almost all the best wrestlers are big hulks and they win with their strength. There are exceptions ofcourse.

              Anyway, true mastery of grappling takes time and getting used to being in many positions, much more than wrestling covers. When you start grappling with purples, browns and blacks, you will see what I mean. Blue belts are still beginners, because most of them have put in only a few years. I have a blue belt and I get crushed by purples, because there's a great difference between the two levels. Hope that helps.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by pstevens
                Wrestling teaches an overreliance on strength... Almost all the best wrestlers are big hulks and they win with their strength.


                That's a misleading overgeneralization.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Hermosa
                  From before...

                  Yea man, I checked out the website. It looks really good. They seem like a good tight knit group with a strong lineage. All the main authenticity questions have really been answered already. I'd just be upfront about what your focus is and what you want to emphasize in your training. But its gonna be all good.
                  Thanks for checking them out man... I think they look like good guys. I am going to call them up and price them out. I will come back and post what they say.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by pstevens
                    Citadel,

                    Since everyone wants to beat around the bush, let me give you some pointers. If you must learn from instructionals, get ones that represent BJJ where it is today. Good ones include: Mario Sperry, Pedro Carvalho, Roy Harris, Mike Jen or Cesar Gracie. All the other stuff is crap, especially the Renzo/Kukuk or Rorion/Royce stuff - they teach very basic stuff that doesn't work against other BJJ guys.

                    Your training ought to consist of warm-ups & conditioning, positions, drills and rolling - in that order (many gyms train in that order).

                    On a final note, I would not consider you intermediate level BJJ... You don't even know the basics yet! While many people will tell you that wrestling will help in your progression in BJJ/MMA, it can also be a hindrance. I've also wrestled for many years, even going to State for 2 years. Wrestling teaches an overreliance on strength... Almost all the best wrestlers are big hulks and they win with their strength. There are exceptions ofcourse.

                    Anyway, true mastery of grappling takes time and getting used to being in many positions, much more than wrestling covers. When you start grappling with purples, browns and blacks, you will see what I mean. Blue belts are still beginners, because most of them have put in only a few years. I have a blue belt and I get crushed by purples, because there's a great difference between the two levels. Hope that helps.
                    I appreciate you posting some substantive pointers... I am looking for MORE if anybody has got any I would love to hear them. Thanks

                    I agree that I am not intermediate, but I disagree that wrestling is a hinderance. I think that absolutely contrarily to your post... the BEST wrestlers, are the ones who win their technique and skill, and NOT just brute force.

                    Anyway, thanks again for the post.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by CitadelHooah
                      I think that absolutely contrarily to your post... the BEST wrestlers, are the ones who win their technique and skill, and NOT just brute force.

                      You are correct. Don't listen to that dope.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by pstevens
                        While many people will tell you that wrestling will help in your progression in BJJ/MMA, it can also be a hindrance. I've also wrestled for many years, even going to State for 2 years. Wrestling teaches an overreliance on strength..
                        I'm not a state level wrestler, but am training with some guys who are quite good at free-style and folk, so you are obviously more experienced than I. Before my wrestling work, I've trained on and off in BJJ.

                        Strength and technique are two different things. They can work together, but a conditioned athlete with technique will usually kill someone who is pure strength. Most wrestlers spend as much time on conditioning as they do drills and mat time, because you will need everything to win. At the end of the day, the wrestler looks like a hulk because he works alot on his strength as he does technique.

                        Some BJJ guys don't work on strength, other than general conditioning through body weight excercises but the one's that do are also hulks.

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                        • #27
                          im far away from there i live on long island and i travel to manhatten to train.If you can you should come to manhatten and stop by.

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