Your Opinion, who is the Best Fighter?

[ncaltruist]

Great post

I liked the post. Everyone gets pissed off by these type of things but I think it's funny. It's a lot LESS retarded than saying that you know a superhero who is immune to brutal head trauma! Have a good day sir.

[gong fu]

lol helloween, yeah well if i pulled my strap out and shot yanzi in the head i dont think his qi gong would work i think he'd just be a monk with a chalk outline, yeah hand to hand combat died with guns, i agree totaly with that your right. i have guns too dont think i train to stop bullets i know martial art limitations. but to IPON what you said wasnt thought through very well, honor in gong fu? what honor i get taught to win by any means neccesary if that means poking your eyes or twisting off your balls with conditioned hands, then so be it, how can i fight using my real fighting skills, and you said it yourself right there man, "UFC is a sport" yes indeed it is just a sport so dont compare your sport heros to real warriors that are alive, because this thread is who is the best fighter, not who is the best sporting legend, i know military guys bodygaurds, shaolin monks, real fighters who would tear apart your UFC heros with no rules or gloves,

no dissrespect to anyone here but i will stick by it all tose people on TV are sportsman/entertainers, there are people who are real warriors alive today and they are the real deal and are more skilled to deal with real combat, not rules and padding tournements, dont compare sports to reality, UFC is not a street fight it has rules limitations, protective gear, and a referee god damn it lol, what you gonna do if your fighting a real killer on the street and he is tearing your testicles off, say "ref did you see that stop him, throw in the damn towel, oh shit where is everyone **** im done for"

[gong fu]

i dont fight on the street unless improvoked, these UFC fighters and modern fighters try to hurt people, within there own rules, so why should i honor them, and not use real moves on them?, why should i morne someone who got hurt by my hands if they wanted to fight, in or out of the ring, they shouldent fight if they dont wanna get hurt. no dissrespect to anyone by saying this.

[sapatiero]

For Gong Fu...

So you're saying that MMA isn't a real indication of someones fighting ability on the street? What about Rickson Gracie, or his dad, Helio? Both of them had at least as many fights on the street as they had in the ring, and proved themselves in both. You want proof? There's plenty of video footage. What about Renzo Gracie? He took on the drug gangs of Rio's beaches & cleaned them up before he ever did Pride. I'm sure there are many other examples (outside of the Gracie family) in todays MMA competitors. I wouldn't want to confront Crocop in a dark alley.

I suggest you check up on your history before you make blanket statements about the ability of MMA competitors. Now, if you were to show me video evidence of a real live Shaolin Monk beating his enemies, then I'm happy to be proven wrong (or you show me footage of you beating Roger Gracie!).

No disrespect intended, but until then, it's just talk...

[gong fu]

do you listen to what i say, UFC is a sport dont judge fights in a ring, and yes im sure these guys beat up some people on the street big deal, who hasnt? i doubt your UFC hero fought a shaolin elder monk on the street did he, dont say beating up regular people is an accomplishment, i wish yanzi would fight in a tournement, or atleast on the street, he hates hurting people, i will try my best to persuade my shifu to fight your precious heros in UFC, he probably wont do it but i will damn well try, and as for your gracie hero, roger i will do battle with him, but dont think im playing fair, dont be hurt if i crush your hero, i will not morne him if he is injured from a fowl blow, he is a fighter isnt he, he knows the deal, i wont speak of roger anymore, just wait untill the fight and you will see for yourself, what real gong fu is Vs modern mcdojo leaders,

[sapatiero]

That's great. I look forward to your proof.

[gong fu]

i dont care for honor with this, i dont like people dissrespecting the real arts, or mocking it, if i have to throw out my honor to gain respect and reccognition from you new generation of weekend warriors, i will crush your heros to show the power of real gong fu, as for laws i do not care for them, judge me how you like i do not care, im tired of gong fu bieng mocked. wait and see for yourselves.

[LoneHusky]

gong fu sounds awesome do you have any sites or information on it? where do you train? I googled it and kept getting kung fu hustle movie sites.

[Big Kahuna]

I've seen some Shaolin monks can take a beating. I once saw a monk being kicked in his groin and it did nothing to him. I'd say that's pretty tough. However, we don't know if he was castrated or not. As far as the pole to the head... Well, I am a skeptic, so I'd have to see it before I make a comment on it.

In any case, all of the martial artists mentioned are great in their own rights, but here is my theory - I don't think the best martial artist in the world is known to any of us. Here is why I think that... Lets take the Olympics for an example. All the countries are represented by the best they have to offer. Or so they say... Here's a better description - all the countries are represented by the best athletes that have the ability, resources, or desire to try out for the Olympic team. Do you really think the gold medalist in each sport is the single most talented person in the WORLD? I don't! I submit to you, that the best fighter out there is some low key person that has no desire to make their skills known.

But, if you want to talk MMA, are we talking record or people they've beaten. Matt Hughes has an impressive record, but so does Horn. BJ Penn had beaten some big names, but doesn't have the number of fights that others have had. Couture and Liddell have both beaten each other, so is the better of the two fighters the one that has the more wins? Then you have to take into consideration Coutures age in his loss the last time between the two. Too many factors to think about. It just all comes to who we personally like. Heck if you'd ask me, give my granfather - a Hawaiian Kendo champ - a shanai and he'd whack a few of them back in his day.

That's my 2 cents...

[BoarSpear]

Hey gung fu, I really like your attitude, and respect your belief in the system but yer startin ta sound like Mike Tyson...you aint gonna eat any gracie babies are ya
We all know ball shots n testicle rips work thats why fighting monks dragged boulders from their package....to toughen up the area, not to impress the chicks

Also with all the shit talking you will be an embarrassment to the CMA's if you win and act like Tito Ortiz...

Yes there are different aspects to the arts than eye pokes and ballshots, those are the band aids to fix the problems with your style, not the attacks of our style....remember shaolin advocated the 7 NON ATTACK POINTS.

if you stop the shot of a wrestler or a gracie takedown and then use the non attack points to beat him you will be our hero, if you poke him in the eye and rip his nutsack youre gonna give the CMA's the same black eye Tyson did when he bit Holyfield. not to mention if you cant beat him without those techniques, you probably cant beat him with them. Yes many of the things that the ring game does leaves you open to bites and ball shots and eye gouges, however try to beat them without resorting to "dirty fighting" thats the honor of the ring and sportsmanship. which is the fight you are requesting...unless hostilities are real, maiming is sort of like 5 cops kicking the hell out of a 64 year old man and the news crew for trying to film it...its wrong, no matter you how you try to justify it...

now call Roger and arrange that fight, win or lose everyone will have to respect you...(so long as you dont pull a tyson )

[JkD187]

gong fu....you sir are an idiot.

[IPON]

IPON what you said wasnt thought through very well, honor in gong fu? what honor i get taught to win by any means neccesary if that means poking your eyes or twisting off your balls with conditioned hands, then so be it, how can i fight using my real fighting skills, and you said it yourself right there man, "UFC is a sport" yes indeed it is just a sport so dont compare your sport heros to real warriors that are alive, because this thread is who is the best fighter, not who is the best sporting legend, i know military guys bodygaurds, shaolin monks, real fighters who would tear apart your UFC heros with no rules or gloves

Well I did not elaborate as much as I could have but still maintain what I wrote. First, I do not "hero worship" anything nor was I riding the MMA bandwagon because I don't have any MMA/UFC or PRIDE heroes. Your point, which as I indicated other styles have made, is that there should be no rules and only under those conditions can a monk compete. Hermosa, Mike and Boarspear, summed up everything very well. There should be honor in gong fu as well as any MA what you are missing is the context

My point is that there is more to any style than just a few "dirty tricks". I feel that a practioner of any style should be able to adapt there style to the ring. If it cannot be adapted it says something about the style or your ability to use it. Basically, that would mean one could only murder/maim and there is never restraint. So I agree if you are in a SD scenario and need to defend your self everything is fair game. However, If you agree to a fight (match, spar, etc) there is honor involved and the fact you do not understand that is sad. It is very rare if ever that you will need to use deadly force. The intention is never to maim or kill someone to win a match as you basically suggest. I think if your sifu were to see your words his head would lower in shame because he has only been able to teach you techniques.

[NHBDreams]

In all honesty my humble opinion is that the " best fighter" out there dead or alive will never be known because someone at that calipper would have no ego due to the fact that he or she would be superior on earth. Some times its the silent yet deadly ones that will always have an edge on other fighters. Not what your looking for im sure but just a thought. Later

[HelloweenVc]

Question

Lol, you think anyone could stand still and let a Pro-Boxer punch them in the face (bare knuckles) and still be standing? Heh better yet without getting hurt?

[NHBDreams]

It would be difficult for anybody to not get hurt or to not be able to inflict pain with a bare knuckle punch. No matter how you look at it big, small, male, female yadda yadda there are hundred of nerves that run through the face and very fragile ones that especially run through the jaw bone and chin. So if I had to answer I'd say there's no way in hell that I'd personally wanna stand around and see if I could take a shot from anyone certain person or style, especially a seasoned boxer lol. Not sure if thats what your gettin at but there's a breif answer I guess. Later