Choke used in self-defense ends in death

[Eyegouge]

lol^ ....boar, i smashed a window on a truck to get to a dude who was talking trash, smashed it with my elbow and broke it the rest of the way with my left hand....haha....man that hurt so bad i couldn't even punch him with my right arm.... my elbow was shot for a week. He was starting his car when i did it so he got away. I felt pretty stupid....

[OmaPlata]

He tried to pull you out of the car? Okay lets hear the rest of this story...What did an 18 yr old omaplata do to piss of the biker?...Ive pulled a few smartasses out of the "safety" of their cage myself...usually after they pissed me off then hid in the car....and taunted me from within it...since he pulled you out and kicked your ass....and warned you about the weapons, its sounds like a man teachin a punk some manners...did you pull the tough guy act on the wrong guy?

and i saw that video...you cant see shit i thought you had seen a different one...

no i worked with the guy, he thought i "ratted" on him about not cutting some wood, he ran the saw at a cabinet shop. I said I didnt say anything which I didnt. He got off work at 130 and sat around the shop heckling me until I got off at 330. Gee a 35 year old man waiting for some skinny kid who didnt do anything and is outsized by 100lbs. (this was around 1989) So I get off work and while walking to my car he comes up and starts saying shit and I ignore him but then he grabs my head and pushes it down towards the street and come up and smack him with a left hook. At that point the ganster mexicans who I worked with came out of the shop and wanted to pound the guy for fucking with me. The bosses were watching and fired Tex on the spot, so when I drove away he followed, I didnt even see him, but I had the club whch was too late when I did. I carried a walther ppk .38 in my tool box forever after that waiting for that asshole to show up at the shop, he was methed out and unpredicable. He had just got of prison for killing a black guy. What a fun job for 5.75 an hour, jesus fucking christ glad that was a longgggggggggggggg time ago

[bigboywasim]

One thing I learned doing martial arts is never underestimate your opponent. I got beat by guys smaller than me and bigger. I got beat by lesser experience fighters and more. I got beat by black guys and white. Man the list goes on. I am good fighter but not invincible. You should never start a fight or think that you can handle anyone. You start fighting and can get jumped by 20 people. You can be Tyson but man will get ass handed to you. People will bring weapons like bats, knives and guns. It can get ugly very fast. I agree with what was decided. The wrestler thought he had upper hand. He was big and strong. A football player as well. Thought what little army guy can do but man the price of finding out was his life. He was the one who slammed him and hit him. Army guy was smart. He knew what to do. He told the attacker let me go and I let you. I tell you man a good 2-3 minute choke kill anyone. Best thing to do is stay away from bad people and bad things. Try to avoid and if can't than by all means defend yourself. See my people how important ground fighting is. It saved someone’s life and took another. Be the best fighter you can be. Take striking, ground and weapons. Take army training as well and you will have best chance of surviving such a situation

[Tom Yum]

The other sources said that the big kid, Makowski was 6'4" or 6'5" and 270 lbs - a highschool football player and wrestler. Robless-Taylor was 6' and 160 lbs - army trained.

Makowski had a 110 lb weight advantage and probably a strength advantage too - defensive-end types can bench over 400 lbs easily....

[EmptyneSs]

it sux that somoeon died over some bs in a mcdonalds parking lot. what i been thinking about most is if this army guy was a civilian who practiced martial arts instead of a military guy just back from serving, he most likely would have went to prison for many years even though it was in self defense. do u think the army guy got off because of his recent service?

[Tom Yum]

it sux that somoeon died over some bs in a mcdonalds parking lot.

My thoughts exactly.

[BoarSpear]

it sux that somoeon died over some bs in a mcdonalds parking lot. what i been thinking about most is if this army guy was a civilian who practiced martial arts instead of a military guy just back from serving, he most likely would have went to prison for many years even though it was in self defense. do u think the army guy got off because of his recent service?

This Happened in FL, we have the right to use deadly force when necessary to defend ourselves. The Growth of MMA and awareness of how deadly those ring fighters are in the street is evident now. Due to the fact that if one of those MMA guys gets you he will break your bones or choke you to death, its acceptable to kill 'em when they try to take you down. Hey man those guys beat up martial artists The average guy has gotta kill them dangerous brutes before they get him down where they're gonna own him right? its self defense...

just go to defend . net and read them forums man! those MMA guys are unstoppable! .........................Glad im just a lowly Taiji guy

[EmptyneSs]

This Happened in FL, we have the right to use deadly force when necessary to defend ourselves. The Growth of MMA and awareness of how deadly those ring fighters are in the street is evident now. Due to the fact that if one of those MMA guys gets you he will break your bones or choke you to death, its acceptable to kill 'em when they try to take you down. Hey man those guys beat up martial artists The average guy has gotta kill them dangerous brutes before they get him down where they're gonna own him right? its self defense...

just go to defend . net and read them forums man! those MMA guys are unstoppable! .........................Glad im just a lowly Taiji guy

what are you talking about? who said anything about mma fighters?

[BoarSpear]

what are you talking about? who said anything about mma fighters?

Hey man it was the classic matchup! you should be stoked. The army guy used the bjj he learned to beat the wrestler with the 110 lb advantage! Its finally happening the Viscious mindset of these sports is coming out and these trained killers are snapping in mickey dees drive throughs

They have proved themselves baddasses in the ring...now its boiling into the streets Where o where will we be safe

[bigboywasim]

I think that if the army guy was of a different race or maybe not in the army it most likely would have been different. These kinds of things just happen. The army guy could have gotten some jail time even in self-defense. See where I live in California even if you get in an accident and it wasn't 100% the other guys fault you can get up to like four years in prison. I think if the big guy really started it and was the one who hit the army guy first and was like beating the crap out of him then the choke is legal. See they said that the army guy told him let me go and I let you go. If so then I am on army guys side 100%. The wrestler shouldn't have done what he did. The retards watching should have try to stop the fight.

[BoarSpear]

I think that if the army guy was of a different race or maybe not in the army it most likely would have been different. These kinds of things just happen. The army guy could have gotten some jail time even in self-defence. See where I live in California even if you get in an accident and it wasn't 100% the other guys fault you can get up to like four years in prison. I think if the big guy really started it and was the one who hit the army guy first and was like beating the crap out of him then the choke is legal. See they said that the army guy told him let me go and I let you go. If so then I am on army guys side 100%. The wrestler shouldn't have done what he did. The retards watching should have try to stop the fight.

Like you said ....where you live...in commiefornia....this is FL self defense is legal and expected...How dare you people claim race or military service as special cimcumstances.

[Kravist05]

Well even if the Army guy said "let me go and I will let you go" how many of you would comply? I don't think I would be able to loosen up and let some one really crank down a choke deeper on me. I've seen what happens in practice when you let go and someone really has you they could easily take your head off. Its too bad that it went down the way it did. The whole thing did not have to happen.

[EmptyneSs]

im just wondering if i should go buy myself a maglight, the nice police baton size one and keep that in my car from now on.........

[gabbah]

I don't get it... if the guy was still moving when the choke was on, that means he was not out of air or blood to the brain. If the army guy released the choke when the big guy stopped moving, the big guy should have been alright, only dissy.
I mean, we have all seen guys being choked out in Pride FC and UFC, and they can even totally pass out and still wake up a few seconds later.

So the army guy must have held on to the choke even though the big guy was unconcious and not moving.

[medic06]

I don't get it... if the guy was still moving when the choke was on, that means he was not out of air or blood to the brain. If the army guy released the choke when the big guy stopped moving, the big guy should have been alright, only dissy.
I mean, we have all seen guys being choked out in Pride FC and UFC, and they can even totally pass out and still wake up a few seconds later.

So the army guy must have held on to the choke even though the big guy was unconcious and not moving.

this is almost pure speculation, but it appears that perhaps he died due to trauma to his airway (autopsy in the article list cause of death as asphyxiation). It could easily happen, especially if the army guy was using the maglite as leverage(funny, it's one of those "dangerous techniques" I was taught but never used against real resistance because it can cause severe damage to your trachea and larynx).