Choke used in self-defense ends in death

[seanyseanybean]

to me it sounds like the wrestler guy, was being a prick, and therefore his parents cant blame the guy who killed him but themselves for bringing up some arrogant, macho, jock type who tries to beat on guys smaller than him.

didnt deserve to die, but "you play with fire...."

[gabbah]

this is almost pure speculation, but it appears that perhaps he died due to trauma to his airway (autopsy in the article list cause of death as asphyxiation). It could easily happen, especially if the army guy was using the maglite as leverage(funny, it's one of those "dangerous techniques" I was taught but never used against real resistance because it can cause severe damage to your trachea and larynx).

Oh, so perhaps he damaged his windpipe when choking him?

[OmaPlata]

I don't get it... if the guy was still moving when the choke was on, that means he was not out of air or blood to the brain. If the army guy released the choke when the big guy stopped moving, the big guy should have been alright, only dissy.
I mean, we have all seen guys being choked out in Pride FC and UFC, and they can even totally pass out and still wake up a few seconds later.

So the army guy must have held on to the choke even though the big guy was unconcious and not moving.

depends on the choke, if it was a blood choke or air choke. blood chokes, RNC types, you dont realize you are going to pass out it just happens, with an air choke you know its coming. Im guessing it was a blood choke and the big fella didnt know he was going to get put to sleep for eternity.
Like boarspear says, its a street fight, there are NO RULES and youre fighting for you life........at least its safe to always assume that. Theres no refs, no ones going to "tap out" etc. ITs life and death

[Sagacious Lu]

This is a heart breaking story. As near as I can tell from what I read Robless-Taylor can't be blamed for defending himself but it's horrible that someone had to lose their life over some drunken horseshit in a fast food joint

[OmaPlata]

This is a heart breaking story. As near as I can tell from what I read Robless-Taylor can't be blamed for defending himself but it's horrible that someone had to lose their life over some drunken horseshit in a fast food joint

who the hell eats fast food these days??????????? last time I had it was when i was in China and saw a McDonalds, I was luvin it !

[BoarSpear]

this is almost pure speculation, but it appears that perhaps he died due to trauma to his airway (autopsy in the article list cause of death as asphyxiation). It could easily happen, especially if the army guy was using the maglite as leverage(funny, it's one of those "dangerous techniques" I was taught but never used against real resistance because it can cause severe damage to your trachea and larynx).

same here i was always taught techniques that used objects to reinforce a technique were too dangerous for resistance training...especially ones that involved chokes

funny thing is I have been assured that anything i havent practiced at 110% against resistance was useless...

[gabbah]

depends on the choke, if it was a blood choke or air choke. blood chokes, RNC types, you dont realize you are going to pass out it just happens, with an air choke you know its coming. Im guessing it was a blood choke and the big fella didnt know he was going to get put to sleep for eternity.
Like boarspear says, its a street fight, there are NO RULES and youre fighting for you life........at least its safe to always assume that. Theres no refs, no ones going to "tap out" etc. ITs life and death

Sure but you don't die when you pass out, you die if the choke is held for some time AFTER you have passed out. If the choke is released when you pass out (or a few seconds later) you will wake up after a few seconds, but being very dizzy.
Isn't it so?
That's why I'm wondering if he held on to the choke long after the big guy stopped moving.

[treelizard]

Sure but you don't die when you pass out, you die if the choke is held for some time AFTER you have passed out. If the choke is released when you pass out (or a few seconds later) you will wake up after a few seconds, but being very dizzy.
Isn't it so?
That's why I'm wondering if he held on to the choke long after the big guy stopped moving.

What would you have done if you were choking the big guy? When would you have let go?

[gabbah]

What would you have done if you were choking the big guy? When would you have let go?

I would hold the choke until his arms stopped moving (or I can see they're going limp, moving slow or so), so I knew he was going uncouncious, then release the choke and roll him to his side and check that he was "ok". As soon as he starts to wake up I would leave.

Would this be dangerous? As far as I know it's not, unless you keep holding the choke after the guy passes out. Am I wrong??

[medic06]

Oh, so perhaps he damaged his windpipe when choking him?

Strong possibility that this happened. According to the article he was walking about when the cops put him in the back of his vehicle. His friend states he was having some difficutly breathing. It seems like he didn't stop breathing until after that.


It sounds like he did have some trauma to his windpipe. What can happen is the trachea and larynx can swell over time due to trauma to occlude the airway.

I've heard several anedotal stories like this involving the police.