Is judo highly effective?

[Bjjexpertise@be]

whilst the previous posts all have merit i fail to see how you can expect to throw someone on their head in an self defence situation when you never do it in class...the mechanics will just not be ingrained in you.

And yes judo has many great and nasty techniques but as has been stated already, if the competition phase does not permit these techniques then it is unlikely that people will train them to be reflex. Saying that a judo guy is going to drop someone on their head is like saying a TKD person is going to drop someone with a left hook or a boxer is going to go for a flying armbar...they don't train to do it in their respective sport so why would they do it instinctively on the street.

I must admit I do like the judo approach to groundwork eg. get it done QUICK. In BJJ its easy to get into the habit of spending ages on the floor and not really achieving much...not good for self defence but it does help you pick your moment.

I think judo is awesome but that the rules of the comp have been bastardised for the audience.

Though I see where you're coming from, the one thing my coach always told me is that when you got a throw down you should be able to control the person 100% once they're up. The example he showed me was when he was practicing Uchi-Mata, he could do the entire move in slow motion pretty much all the way to the end, for Uchi-Mata that is insanely hard. Since there's such an emphasis on being able to control your opponent, once your opponent is loaded up, the hardpart's over, you can drop them however you wish which isn't hard to adjust. It's kind of like for submission holds where you don't have to pop the arm or choke out your partner everytime to be able to know how to do it, you already have him controlled and you can apply as much pressure as you wish.

[Tant01]

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The Judo Kata does involve some striking and striking defense but to be honest it's pretty weak :.


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As seen in Kata, Indeed! LOL The spirit of the striking is valid. Esp. Kicking.

Seems like WW2 Combatives guro WE FAIRBAIRN held rank in Judo...

As did many of the hand to hand instructors of old.

But don't take my word for nothing. I like my judo with a knife.

LOL

whilst the previous posts all have merit i fail to see how you can expect to throw someone on their head in an self defence situation when you never do it in class...the mechanics will just not be ingrained in you.

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I think judo is awesome but that the rules of the comp have been bastardised for the audience.

Everyone in your Judo class is your friend. Not so in a SD situation...

I think that Olympic "Judo" is a shadow of a once complete style...

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I think judo is awesome but that the rules of the comp have been bastardised for the audience.

The rules of the comp have been changed because way too many Judoka had their careers shortened by techniques now banned from competition.

I still have a limp from a knee lock that was cranked too far by an overzealous opponent

[Hardball]

The rules of the comp have been changed because way too many Judoka had their careers shortened by techniques now banned from competition. (

Just curious, can you name a few of the banned techniques?

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Just curious, can you name a few of the banned techniques?

most joint locks were banned as thay were comsidered dangerous but it is more likelythat thay were banned due to judoka favouring grappling over throws which the general public find boring so really thay were banned so there would be more throwing and less ground work.

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most joint locks were banned as thay were comsidered dangerous but it is more likelythat thay were banned due to judoka favouring grappling over throws which the general public find boring so really thay were banned so there would be more throwing and less ground work.

No. The way they keep the match going is to stand up the competitors and penalize them when they aren't aggressively attempting techniques.

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No. The way they keep the match going is to stand up the competitors and penalize them when they aren't aggressively attempting techniques.

thats what thay do these days but back in the day you could apply any grappling technique not just chokes and arm bars.

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thats what thay do these days but back in the day you could apply any grappling technique not just chokes and arm bars.

See post #51

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Just curious, can you name a few of the banned techniques?

Not by the Japanese terminology. Pretty much any joint locks other than the elbow or shoulder, techs that pick the patient up and slam them back down, neck cranks, strangles using the open hand, throws involving alot of leg entaglement, etc. I might be wrong in a few of these, it's been years since I thought about it.

[Bjjexpertise@be]

Just curious, can you name a few of the banned techniques?

Just off the top of my head, Kani-Basami[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnCNV8yA25E[/YOUTUBE]

[kiddbjj]

fair point about wrestlers with supplexes, you're right. It's like saying you can't break someones arm on the street cause you don't do it in class when doing armbar, but we all know that it only takes a little more hip to get it done (plus ignoring the tap).

[Saidar]

most joint locks were banned as thay were comsidered dangerous but it is more likelythat thay were banned due to judoka favouring grappling over throws which the general public find boring so really thay were banned so there would be more throwing and less ground work.

I totally agree with you, ground work can sometimes be boring and since judo and many other martial arts are sports these days the crowd want entertainment!

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fair point about wrestlers with supplexes, you're right. It's like saying you can't break someones arm on the street cause you don't do it in class when doing armbar, but we all know that it only takes a little more hip to get it done (plus ignoring the tap).

and it only takes a little more hip to dump someone on there head

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[Dan_The_Man]

In my Judo class I would say that there is more emphasis on stand up but we do also spend a lot of time learning and practicing ground techniques. Usually the last 30-40 mins of the class is divided into first ground grappling then stand up. These are practiced at a high intensity (by the end I am absolutely shattered!).

I do agree that a lot must have been taken out of Judo to condition it for a competition format (I don't have any facts though). I also train in Ju Jutsu at the same Dojo and there is a large overlap between that and Judo. In my Ju Jutsu class there is a clear emphasis on self defence e.g. one basic principle in Judo is to off balance your opponent slightly before throwing, this usually is done by transferring their weight to the leg you are going to take from beneath them. This principle can be applied to Ju Jutsu but here you can use other tools to off balance your opponent e.g. a strike to the eye or throat.

As for Judo being highly effective, I believe that it is. If looking at it from a self-defence point of view, being efficient in Judo will greatly improve your ability to stay on your feet in a fight. This is essential for self-defence. It will also give you the ability to throw someone to the ground. This means that you will either hurt them pretty bad or it will give you the opportunity to escape, both valid applications for self-defence.