Matt Hughes vs. Royce Gracie

[aseepish]

Kein-san and Eiburu-san!

[BoarSpear]

"And when he saw that he prevailed not against him, he touched the hollow of his thigh; and the hollow of Jacob's thigh was out of joint, as he wrestled with him" Genesis 32:24-32

The bible says wrestling was the martial art of men of the times, not JJ.

Sounds to me like it also says Dim mak is the superior art...and GOD uses it!! I guess that settles it, kung fu is king

[Tap-r-Snap]

Cain and Abel were Japanese?

"And when he saw that he prevailed not against him, he touched the hollow of his thigh; and the hollow of Jacob's thigh was out of joint, as he wrestled with him" Genesis 32:24-32

The bible says wrestling was the martial art of men of the times, not JJ.

so let me ask you a question....

what do AMericans.....Europeans call BJJ or JJ when speaking in generalities????
SUBMISSION WRESTLING.
wow, you're a bright one....Keep digging up quotes to reinforce my points....moron.


again you are arguing over a name, not the art...........the first part of recovering is accepting defeat.

[Tap-r-Snap]

and since you are so smart you probably realize that, that verse is referring to Jacob's torment with an ANgel, not another human......so unless you plan on submitting an angel, i dont think they are referring to Martial arts in that passage.......maybe you should read the story on birth-rights.
fool

[Tap-r-Snap]

heres one for you...

Matthew 7:6
"Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and then turn and tear you to pieces."

it would be pointless to continue speaking the truth to you.
THere is a difference between KNOWLEDGE, which is what you have....and UNDERSTANDING , which is what i have..

/own

[Tant01]

Kimura was a JUDO champion!

ok, grab a pen, paper and a snack............You're about to learn something.

............Jiu Jitsu.....then Judo.....Got it????

Judo is simply a safer adaptation of jiu jitsu...
and as for Kimura and helio...dont speak about history unless you know what you are talking about. the "key lock" as it was known before Kimura broke Helios arm was used in Jiu jitsu for thousands of years before Kimura used it....the Brazillians are the ones that gave it his name out of respect.

anything else for me jack-off?

Masahiko Kimura (1917-1993) called it Ude Garami meat head...It's had that name for at least 50 years before it became "kimura"...

There was no RESPECT for Masahiko sensei, they brought a coffin to the match!

Can you tell me the name of the Japanese Ju-Jutsu Ryu that Brazilian JIU-JITSU comes from? No, there is no lineage to any Bujutsu from Japan, only Judo

Sorry again to be the one to hurt your feelings!

[BoarSpear]

and since you are so smart you probably realize that, that verse is referring to Jacob's torment with an ANgel, not another human......so unless you plan on submitting an angel, i dont think they are referring to Martial arts in that passage.......maybe you should read the story on birth-rights.
fool

So then the dislocated thigh came from wrestling his own beliefs in his head?

BTW can you provide the bjj techniques that Cain used to murder his brother? Seeing as you claim that was bjj, Im just curious.

[OmaPlata]

ITs not really a debate., Judo is the family friendly version of JJ. It comes from JJ . end of story. next topic

[Tant01]

Phui

ITs not really a debate., Judo is the family friendly version of JJ. It comes from JJ . end of story. next topic

Jujutsu is the collection of techniques, Judo the way to learn them.

BJJ is only half the story... the end.

[Tant01]

Did You Know?

..i dont like seeing ignorant swine such as yourself, influencing good people out there that seek to know the truth.

its not my fault you have probably spent the last 4 years training Judo, ...wasting your time.

You wanna know how to defend yourself? Train BJJ

DID YOU KNOW that tapping out as a form of submission came from JUDO?

Tap or Snap.... LOL You KILL ME!

Kano Jiu-Jitsu (JUDO) Contest Rules
The Original Kodokan Judo Tournament Rules
... *Circa 1905

...4. A contestant shall be deemed to have been defeated when from any cause or causes he may become unconscious. But it is not permitted to use serious tricks when the wrestling bout is between friends. Such tricks as kicking and the breaking of arms, legs, and neck are barred.

( there's where the "dangerous" techniques went)

5. A combatant shall be deemed to have been defeated when he has been reduced to submission through the employment by his opponent of any hold or trick.

6. When a defeated combatant finds himself obliged to acknowledge his submission, he must pat or hit the floor or his antagonist's body, or somewhere, with his hand or foot. This patting with foot or hand is to be regarded as a token of surrender.

7. When a defeated combatant pats or hits the floor, or anywhere, in token of submission, the victor must at once let go his hold....


HEY, you play that! IT'S the gentle way... True sportsman like conduct, eh?

The rest, as they say, is history...

[Tant01]

Truth/ Dogma!

heres one for you...

Matthew 7:6
"Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and then turn and tear you to pieces."

it would be pointless to continue speaking the truth to you.
THere is a difference between KNOWLEDGE, which is what you have....and UNDERSTANDING , which is what i have..

/own

Let me guess, you're a "christian" too?

Fair enough. I'm done wasting my time with you.

I hope you figure out the difference between "dogma" and reality someday.

[tnvolman]

Matt will win

[Tap-r-Snap]

heres one for you...

Matthew 7:6
"Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and then turn and tear you to pieces."

it would be pointless to continue speaking the truth to you.
THere is a difference between KNOWLEDGE, which is what you have....and UNDERSTANDING , which is what i have..

/own

:see above:

[Tap-r-Snap]

The roots of Kosen Judo lies in two schools of Jujitsu: The Fusen-Ryu Jujutsu and, not surprisingly, Jigoro Kano´s own Ryu (school) which was named Judo and spread worldwide.
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Ancient origins

Fusen-Ryu Jujutsu was founded by Takeda Motsuge in the early 1800's. The ryu was based on his early jujitsu teachings (he was already considered a Shihan by his later teens). The most influential schools he had trained were the Nanba Ippo (from Takahashi Inobei), Takenouchi, Sekiguchi, Yoshin, Shibukawa, and Yagyu-Ryu. The dissolution of the Samurai class came about at the same time of the Fusen-ryu founding, and the banning of armed combat probably contributed heavily for its development and emphasis in unarmed combat techniques.

By the end of the 19th century another school of Jujitsu was getting prominence, beating several older schools in consecutive matches. This school was founded by Jigoro Kano, and was called Kodokan Judo. Mataemon Tanabe, then the Fusen-Ryu master, challenged Kano school and his students won every match. Much to Kano´s surprise, they did not attempt throwing techniques, but rather went straight to the ground, and applied newaza submissions as arm-locks, leg-locks, pins, and chokes. Kano being very open-minded, was so fascinated by the Fusen-ryu effectiveness, that he persuaded Tanabe to teach kodokan students the concepts of his ryu´s strategy. Kano had consistently invited the heads of every jujitsu ryu he encountered to incorporate their teachings into the Kodokan curriculum. The newaza component however became a major part of judo influencing its development greatly. Some people think jiu-jitsu is actually a misspelling of Jujutsu, but as both are 'romanised' versions of Japanese Kanji script, neither is strictly speaking 'wrong').

there you go boys......read up...and learn some humility.

[Tom Yum]

:see above:

Tap-r-Snap, why are you using the Bible to smite others and make yourself look better?

Luke 18:9-14: "And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others: 10 Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican. 11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican. 12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess. 13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner. 14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

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Dude, you need to humle yourself every now and then since God can ultimately kick all of our asses at once without so much blinking an eye.