Sambo analysis

[Ahoym8e]

^ right. everyone is practicing those, both offense and defense. (including me, btw)

When someone comes along the attacks the feet and legs, no-one will know what hit them. (including me). I dont' have enough time to train no gi, so twisting footlocks aren't in my arsenal for now (my belt is too low).

[Shoot]

I’ve always heard that Sambo came primarily from Judo. It has the reputation of emphasizing leg locks. The legend is that Russian commandos would rather break the leg of an enemy than kill him because the broken leg takes him out of combat and requires others to carry him and care for him.

But, let’s face it. When people are on the ground in MMA, they’re using BJJ. BJJ has the most developed ground game, including any and every joint lock or choke you can think of and a few you don’t know. I’ve had my criticisms of the BJJ system and have noted its roots in pre-WWII Judo. But, BJJ deserves credit. People call their ground game all sorts of things, “submission wrestling” etc... Whatever makes you feel good. BJJ delivered it to you.

[7r14ngL3Ch0k3]

BJJ is like all the useful techniques from all grappling styles combined added with the Gracie techniques.

[danfaggella]

I don't know about every ground technique being credited to BJJ, I'm sure Brazilian Jujutsu guys have come up with a lot on thier own (allong with the shit they had from Judo), but the same can be said for Sambo men. If a guy practicing Sambo "invented" or "orrigionated" on move or move mariation, is that technique defined as a "Sambo" technique or a "bjj" technique? It is very hard to classify things sometimes, who deserves credit for what ect... Its all grappling though, and I like to sample as much as I can from everything and bring it together myself, though respecting the indevidual arts.

[Strepto]

Right now the UFC and PRIDE heavyweight champs are
both Sambo fighters (Feder Emilianenko and Andrei Arlovski).

Exactly! That's what I was thinking.

But, let’s face it. When people are on the ground in MMA, they’re using BJJ. BJJ has the most developed ground game, including any and every joint lock or choke you can think of and a few you don’t know.

BJJ fanboy!

[Mikeb85]

But, let’s face it. When people are on the ground in MMA, they’re using BJJ. BJJ has the most developed ground game, including any and every joint lock or choke you can think of and a few you don’t know. I’ve had my criticisms of the BJJ system and have noted its roots in pre-WWII Judo. But, BJJ deserves credit. People call their ground game all sorts of things, “submission wrestling” etc... Whatever makes you feel good. BJJ delivered it to you.

That's rediculous... So a player who has never seen or heard of BJJ and armbars someone is now practicing BJJ? I'll agree that BJJ is a decent system, but you can't take away credit from Sambo and Judo, both of which are very refined and proven grappling arts...

[OmaPlata]

That's rediculous... So a player who has never seen or heard of BJJ and armbars someone is now practicing BJJ? I'll agree that BJJ is a decent system, but you can't take away credit from Sambo and Judo, both of which are very refined and proven grappling arts...

The beauty of BJJ is that is different now than it was just 10 years ago, or 20 years ago, the art is always changing and has adopted leg lock since the early UFCs when it became apparent that they worked. Its said that the black belts of the mid 70s and early 80s down in Rio and Barra would equate to good purple belts of todays BJJ regime.

[danfaggella]

doesnt surprise me at all, newaza is developing more and more its amazing. So many more people are doing it and developing i and sharing it. This is the same with chess. Before it was popular on the scale it is today, the local "masters" were equatable with today's intemediate players.

[7r14ngL3Ch0k3]

Its the competition aspect that continues to drive its success.

[BoarSpear]

But, let’s face it. When people are on the ground in MMA, they’re using BJJ. BJJ has the most developed ground game, including any and every joint lock or choke you can think of and a few you don’t know. I’ve had my criticisms of the BJJ system and have noted its roots in pre-WWII Judo. But, BJJ deserves credit. People call their ground game all sorts of things, “submission wrestling” etc... Whatever makes you feel good. BJJ delivered it to you.

So when Helio had his ASS WHIPPED by the Judo Master, the judo master was practicing BJJ? ....freakin nutt huggin' morons

[danfaggella]

thats where it gets tested, thats where other people see it, and get new ideas from it, thats why its so popular, i completely agree with you

[Mikeb85]

The beauty of BJJ is that is different now than it was just 10 years ago, or 20 years ago, the art is always changing and has adopted leg lock since the early UFCs when it became apparent that they worked. Its said that the black belts of the mid 70s and early 80s down in Rio and Barra would equate to good purple belts of todays BJJ regime.

ALL SPORTS progress. Hockey, football, basketball, boxing, judo, wrestling etc... Players are better conditioned than ever, have better technique, etc.. (in all sports this is true) This is not something unique to BJJ.

[Shoot]

So when Helio had his ASS WHIPPED by the Judo Master, the judo master was practicing BJJ? ....freakin nutt huggin' morons

Answer: yes.

The point is that BJJ is "Newaza." BJJ = Judo newaza. Newaza includes all ground techniques. It's just that BJJ kept newaza alive and has evolved it. It's like saying when you throw a punch, you're using "boxing." Boxing = Punching. BJJ = Newaza.

[BoarSpear]

Answer: yes.

The point is that BJJ is "Newaza." BJJ = Judo newaza. Newaza includes all ground techniques. It's just that BJJ kept newaza alive and has evolved it. It's like saying when you throw a punch, you're using "boxing." Boxing = Punching. BJJ = Newaza.

...................................... RIIIiiiiigggghhht. BJJ is ONE part of an ENTIRE art (JUDO) which came FIRST, therfore its freakin impossible that the JUDO master who beat your GJJ hero's ass was practicing your little sport I See, that way you morons can claim It was a BJJ man that defeated Helio not a JUDO guy HUH? (priceless).... HAHAHA ever seen the fight? Watch Helio flying through the air...completly helpless against those THROWS from judo...something your little sport LACKS...

you people are amazing...the newest offshoot of another art in the MA world claims to be the Grandaddy of them all...

[danfaggella]

I'm primarily a BJJ guy and I don't think Kimura used BJJ, but he used an art that BJJ built off of, which was newaza, and newaza is certianly formittable, though BJJ took it and went a bit deeper into it. Helio did in fact loose to Kimura, we all know this, and Kimura never studied BJJ. However, Helio was 42 and a much smaller man. The win obviously doesn't put Judo's groundgame above that of BJJ, which has certainly focused much more on that aspect of fighting, where Judo focuses mainly on throws (Helio learned that pretty quickly).