Sambo analysis

[Shoot]

...................................... RIIIiiiiigggghhht. BJJ is ONE part of an ENTIRE art (JUDO) which came FIRST, therfore its freakin impossible that the JUDO master who beat your GJJ hero's ass was practicing your little sport I See, that way you morons can claim It was a BJJ man that defeated Helio not a JUDO guy HUH? (priceless).... HAHAHA ever seen the fight? Watch Helio flying through the air...completly helpless against those THROWS from judo...something your little sport LACKS...

you people are amazing...the newest offshoot of another art in the MA world claims to be the Grandaddy of them all...

You miss my point, but it doesn’t matter. I’m fully aware of the history of Judo and BJJ. I know where BJJ came from. It came from Judo . . . big deal. I also know that Judo was once a complete compilation of several Japanese Jujitsu schools. Judo was once an effective combat art, like BJJ. However, after WWII, Judo became PRACTICED as a throwing sport with very little newaza (ground grappling techniques). Technically Judo is a complete combat art IF you look at the Kodokan techniques. It’s all in there. But in PRACTICE it is a throwing sport. It’s like saying punching is in Taekwondo. Yes, that’s true, but we all know that Taekwondo is PRACTICED as a kicking art.

So, while Judo went on to Olympic greatness sporting fancy looking throws, BJJ was honed in NHB fights in Brazil for decades. The judo throws were virtually replaced with freestyle and Greco-Roman wrestling take-downs. Although, hip and shoulder throws remain in the BJJ curriculum. BJJ emerged as its own style of Jujitsu–a Jujitsu evolved for one on one fighting. It was BJJ, not Judo that kept newaza alive in practice and maintained Jujitsu as a fighting art while Judo went the sportive route. BJJ took newaza to a new level. You can compare the Kodokan newaza to BJJ. Now some Judo players are using the guard and newaza. Good for them.

Oh yeah, relax. One thing BJJ teaches you is to stay calm. You save energy that way.

[SamuraiGuy]

Boar, you always forget to mention Kimura was much larger than Helio, now i'm not getting into this little discussion because its been done about a million times.. but cmon...

Kimura's obvious size advantage over helio is like my obvious everything advantage over you, its undeniable

[7r14ngL3Ch0k3]

Helio just thought his Jiu Jitsu allowed him to defeat larger opponents with greater strength, speed and athletism, I guess he was wrong that time.

[danfaggella]

Helio was an older man and a lighter man, however I think that he was confident he could win, yet he surely did not. Doesn't dapmer BJJ in my mind, I'm not oging to go around saying Judo newaza is more effective that BJJ ground techniques, because I believe BJJ has much more ground technique, though Judo certainly has advantages of it own.

Also, Boar, when you say:
I See, that way you morons can claim It was a BJJ man that defeated Helio not a JUDO guy HUH? (priceless)....
Remember not to generalize and claim that all BJJ guys think this way, I think its obvious that Shoot didnt even mean it that way, but either way don't pin that claim on all BJJ practicioners.

Also, Judo is just as much a sport as BJJ is.