Grapplers beware...

[BoarSpear]

MMA people dont think grappling equals the gaurd, BoarSpear thats a broad generalized statement and you know it. Cmon.

I would probably agree with MMA people think "grappling" is fighting on the ground, Gaurd, Mount, Side Control, The back...

They would still be wrong, but thats not the point, dont make completely generalized (wrong) statements.

my bad, the Gracies think grappling is the guard, MMA people think it only happens on the ground.

[7r14ngL3Ch0k3]

my bad, the Gracies think grappling is the guard, MMA people think it only happens on the ground.

The Gracies dont think that grappling is only on the ground. Where'd you get that from? They know that grappling is wrestling, judo, jiu jitsu and whatever else that works for grappling(not striking). Theyre probably not that good at takedowns but that doesnt mean that they dont incorporate it into their curriculum or think its inferior to their guard.

[BoarSpear]

The Gracies dont think that grappling is only on the ground. Where'd you get that from?

Observation

You never answered me about where you learned all your Dimmak there numbers.

[gregimotis]

numbers.

Hahahahahaahaahahaaaaaa...hehe...he... whew, thanks.

[medic06]

The Gracies dont think that grappling is only on the ground. Where'd you get that from? They know that grappling is wrestling, judo, jiu jitsu and whatever else that works for grappling(not striking). Theyre probably not that good at takedowns but that doesnt mean that they dont incorporate it into their curriculum or think its inferior to their guard.

that's funny. The Gracies have been adding more and more striking to their repetoire.

Fingerlocks? You're right fingerlocks won't work without proper positioning, leverage and immobilization, etc (just like any jointlock). In my personal experience they can open the doors for other things, give you a little breathing room. I've caught people in some nasty thumbs locks during grappling.

[jubaji]

There's a book I recently heard of called Ultimate Dim-Mak:How to Fight a Grappler and Win, and the description is...Grappling is not superior, just different, says Erle Montaigue, a former pro wrestler himself. Here he takes you inside the mind of the grappler and reveals his strategy, thus taking away his edge. Learn to target the most vulnerable points and apply foolproof dim-mak sleeper holds to counter the moves grapplers will use in any no-holds-barred fight. Yeah, whatever.

I recently saw a clip of this guy. Hilarious!

[elliotNess]

i think if you try this without grappling experience of your own and ironpalm to give authority to the strikes you would be better off hitting the grappler with the book

Or Iron Fist!

[slayer31]

the book is like 3 sentences. gouge eyes. small joint manipulation. smash testicles.

[covaliufan]

I heard a story years ago that when what's his face put this book out, Renzo Gracie offered to fight him so they could see how well that stuff actually worked against a grappler. The conversation supposedly went like this:

Renzo: Let's fight and see what you can do.

Montaigue: Well, that won't really work, because we'd have to fight absolutely no rules and I'd have to be allowed to use all kinds of techniques that aren't legal in any kind of sport fighting

Renzo: OK. You can do anything you want.

Montaigue: I think I left the oven on, I'll get back to you.

Could be true, but I can't prove it.

[maxbjj]

of course there are going to be counters to grappling, no one is claiming it is the *perfect* fighting technique. all martial art styles can be specifically countered with different styles and moves.

[Luis SalinasIII]

The only way to fight a grappler is be a better grappler, or a hell of a gymnast (sprawl).

When I was fighting a BJJ 18 year old, when I was 19, I had a strong wrestilng background, and the lack in his training was his tendency to just want to sloth up (many bjj gyms just like to sloth up with eachother and try to do kimuras). My submission work sucked compared to his but a simple sprawl put him flat out when he tried his takedowns and from there, I actually did a roll over him and stood. I was just testing out how good I could keep it stand up.

I'm not super agile but I was able to do that to him. I wonder what kind of abilities a man who has engaged in tumbling would have over BJJ fighters.

[dogzilla]

Well im just wondering, does any style (ground style, like judo or Bjj, or evev japan juijutsu) has punches on the ground??

i didnt see anything about that,... i mean pride and ufc is something else its a competition under some rules, so any style on ground has punches ? i know judo didnt have, i trained it...

[Rogue Warrior]

Ok so its been a while since ive been in here but I couldnt pass this thread up. Now I myself am a grappler but have been trained as a striker for 80% of my martial training and I find this whole dim mak or as i like to call it the touch of bulls**t just that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdrzBL2dHMI

Now tell me after watching the human stun gun (bulls**t) is nothing but a self proclaimed master of the death touch. plus when he said that athleats are the ones that are harder to put the death touch shows that its a power percived is power achieved. His students believe that he can do this and thus the effect.

Now nothing competes with a good ol ground and pound! Just ask royce about that one.

(sorry about the spelling)