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  • #46
    Well, there wasnt THAT much bowing, but going from zero bowing, to judo bowing is alot.

    We bowed.. in a line at the start, to the blackbelts I guess, and then, before we rolled newaza... and... at the end in a line. I dont know seemed like a lot to me.

    The bowing to Helio is such a fucking joke, with Judo the bowing to the picture of Kano, thats alright, but the Helio thing is a complete rip off.

    And its not anything that I posted here that would stop me from going back, I mentioned I went with one of the blackbelts, as his guest, and I was sorta... I only met him because of someone else, and the someone else I knew kinda has an issue with, not him specifically but people close to him..

    Whatever, I can find another club, alot closer too, so its not bad, plus I always got BJJ to do to, so I'm not worried. I will find another place to score some Ippon though, dont you worry about that.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by Tant01 View Post
      BJJ is Judo NEWAZA The only thing I have against BJJ/GJJ is the MARKETING HYPE that BRAINWASHES little twerps like you into thinking it's something else. Or worth more $$ MONEY$$! PHUI!

      The BJJ lineage doesn't stop with the "grand master" Helio Gracie. It goes back to Kano Sensei! BJJ is Newaza. I would like to see more Judoka and BJJ players realize this and quit arguing about what separates them. RULES and ATTITUDES are what separate them.
      Carlos Gracie was a student of Mitsuyo Maeda was a student of Jigoro Kano. Helio never learned any Jiu Jitsu from Maeda. He used to watch Carlos train but couldn't do the Jiu Jitsu himself because he was too weak.

      He had to modify quite a few things so that he could do them on bigger, stronger opponents.

      The techniques of Judo weren't invented by Kano either. He just consolidated the best techniques of several older JJ styles.

      Kano and Gracie both did not reinvent the wheel. They just made it roll better.

      If you read up on Helio you will see he is not entirely happy with the direction that BJJ has gone - focusing so heavily on being a sport.

      He is a remarkable man who has achieved amazing things in his lifetime.

      You are right that it is mainly rules of competition that seperate Judo and BJJ. Judo stronger in stand up and BJJ stronger in groundwork because its natural to want to train whatever range you need in order to win competitions in each given sport.

      As far as attitudes go there are dickheads doing every martial art. Although I will admit that BJJ tends to attract more than its fair share of dickheads due to its high profile from success in MMA tournaments. I study both Judo and BJJ because I believe they are totally complimentary arts and I can say with certainty that I have not met any dickheads on the mat at my BJJ club yet, and only one at Judo.

      At BJJ we shake hands before sparring, at Judo we bow. At Judo we bow to the Sensei after training, at BJJ we clap to so our appreciation to the instructor for the training. Only a minor cultural difference surely? The intent behind the action is still the same.

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      • #48
        hello,

        what can one do from the guard? ultimately? a lot. largely depends on your personal mindset. have seen many that are strictly defensive and some strictly offensive.

        in judo? newaza seems to be taught a little differently than at a jiujitsu school. there is a tendency toward avoiding being on ones back (a prerequisite for guard work) that is philosophically similar to wrestling. it has to do with tournament rules.

        also, many judo sensei avoid the subject of leg attacks, again, because most tournaments disallow them. this will change how you use guard, because the terminal results available to judo players and jiujitsu players.

        full circle now... guard has a lot of options. a lot of them. if you wish to explore this further, check out jiujitsu. spending some time in might help you answer any guard questions you have. attending jiujitsu tournaments could be right up your alley as well.

        hope this helps you a bit.

        thanks

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        • #49
          Here's a tip from someone with a weak guard game: get out of it asap. Learning how to do this is easier than learning how to get good at the "guard game" especially if you train like someone is allowed to do things to you like pull your eye out or hammer fist your balls repeatedly.

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          • #50
            Good on you...

            Originally posted by Shoot View Post
            Here's a tip ...: get out of it asap. Learning how to do this is easier than learning how to get good at the "guard game" especially if you train like someone is allowed to do things to you like pull your eye out or hammer fist your balls repeatedly.
            Now you're thinking....

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            • #51
              hello,

              passing the guard is better than getting hammered in the wrinklies. agreed.

              hahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!

              thanks.

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              • #52
                The mario sperry instructionals I have for sale teach you exactly what to do from the guard in gi grappling, no gi grappling, and NHB/Streetfighting. Its so simple yet effective that there are no waiting for your opponents mistakes but rather a sophisticated game of attacking and trapping your opponent till checkmate.

                See my thread Mario Sperry gi, no gi, NHB instructionals. or contact me
                adrian.dsouza@sympatico.ca

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