CLOSED FIST STRIKING TO THE HEAD

[Water Dragon]

Re: Ahh, baloney

Originally posted by Joe Manco
the bend in your elbow is facing the floor when you throw them. You know what that means?

Yup, that means your arm is tighter to the body and can channel the force of the hip directly into the opponent. Uhhh, unless your arm punching of course.

[Joe Manco]

Hey Water Pistol ...

You obviously are a "martial artist" as opposed to being a true fist fighter.

FYI, punching power is generated from the FEET ... which energy then goes through the hip, through the shoulders, and into the arm and fist ... all with an instant, burst of energy and timed.

Your elbow being "tucked in" is only good when throwing inside hooks and uppercuts. Yes, in a phonebooth warfare, you DO want your elbows in precisely for these hooks and uppercuts ... but not for a ridiculous "vertical punch." Especially when on the outside.

From the outside, a "vertical palm" leaves you with no snap to your punch ... nowhere to hide your chin ... and opens up a perfect channel for your opponent's counter cross.

Do yourself a favor. Stick to "theory" and gis and philosophical discourse ... but don't ever take your ideas of "vertical fists" in there with a true fighter. Because you will wind up on your a$$.




[Edited by Joe Manco on 09-30-2000 at 03:27 PM]

[Ryu (non-working password]

There's no "wrist" in boxing. If you are throwing any kind of punch your wrist should not be limp at all, or a sprain will probably follow. But for the people who are not champion boxers it might be a better idea to use open hands, etc.
Joe, you seem to be doing quite the trolling on our humble little board here Perhaps they'd take you seriously if you'd tone down the condescending tones.

As for me, I prefer to take boxers down and knee them in the face from a cross mount, or some headbutts, forearms, and occasionally fists, etc. Works great for the guys who like to throw hooks in a fight


Ryu

[klif]

I broke the middle knuckle of my right hand when I punched at a guy's face and he ducked and I hit the top of his forehead. I felt it all the way to my toes. He dropped but I ended up in the hospital for my hand.

[YeLLa-TiGeR]

Yup, that guy didnt know nuthin! After discovering that his punched failed, he just sorta went away. I guess I won without throwing one blow?

[Joe Manco]

Hey Ryu

I think you're too feminine to have been in any real fights. I am just judging you by your writing style, so sorry if I got you wrong.

Anyway, what makes you think I don't know BJJ also?

This was a striking discourse, so why do you bring up something that has nothing to do with it?

You may take down a "pure" boxer with ease ... but not a schooled boxer/grappler. You'd better know how to strike, for real or you're going to be in a world of hurt.

Just ask Royce, Renzo, and Royler what happens when you suck at striking and try to take down a rounded fighter ...

[YeLLa-TiGeR]

Hey Joe, just relax man, Ryu is a good guy. I'm sure he didnt mean anything , and I assure you that he is very capable of handling himself in any fight. His writing style is very articulate because of his education and cause he's a smart guy. He aint no pansy but he is a really nice guy. But I do look forward to your future posts as well. You seem very knowledgable in boxing. We're hear to learn from each other, not to knock each other ok! Well gotta go!

[Water Dragon]

Re: Hey Water Pistol ...


You obviously are a "martial artist" as opposed to being a true fist fighter.

Possible, but then I could say the same about you. And maybe Ryu is a supermodel, the truth is, none of us know. But I do know that my way of punching works well. I would agree with yours if you mentioned shoulder follow through which is paramount to power development, not the "snap". Somehow I doubt your credentials when you can't even describe what you do.

FYI, punching power is generated from the FEET ... which energy then goes through the hip, through the shoulders, and into the arm and fist ... all with an instant, burst of energy and timed.

Yup, but they also say the power is led by the hand, pulled by the waist and rebounded through the feet. Or, the power is launched by the waist, and simultaneously shot hrough the hands and the feet. Truth is, if you feel any of that when your actually punching, you got some power leaks. When you punch, you should not feel the individual parts of the body at all.

Your elbow being "tucked in" is only good when throwing inside hooks and uppercuts. Yes, in a phonebooth warfare, you DO want your elbows in precisely for these hooks and uppercuts ... but not for a ridiculous "vertical punch." Especially when on the outside.

So how exactly do I fight? What's my mindset? How does my style work? You must know since you are assuming that I use the same movement patterns you do.

yourself a favor. Stick to "theory" and gis and philosophical discourse ... but don't ever take your ideas of "vertical fists" in there with a true fighter. Because you will wind up on your a$$.

Was that a challenge?

Listen tool, some people here like to have intelligent conversations sometimes. And even though we disagree a lot, we also learn from each other. Maybe if you can learn to become involved in a discussion instead of attacking with a "I AM THE MASTER, ONLY I KNOW THE TRUTH" mentality, you could learn somethong too.

If you can be civil, I'd like to keep the discussion going. If you continue to behave like a penis wrinkle, I will not respond.






[Edited by Joe Manco on 09-30-2000 at 03:27 PM] [/B]

[Joe Manco]

Yella Tiger

You're right, I'm sorry.

I'm just trolling a little for some fun, but I am serious about the punching info.

No hard feelings - just a little "locker humor"

[Ryu (non-working password]

Gee thanks, guys. Looks like I don't really have to say anything
What's up, YeLLa TiGeR? It's been a while since I talked to you. Hope life is treating you good.

Joe,
LOL don't take me too seriously buddy. I'm just giving you a hard time because you came off as insulting some of the members here. Too feminine to have been in any real fights huh? LOL, is this where I'm supposed to fire back with the details of my battles to prove how manly I am? hahaha, that's not really my style. I'm pretty content with the outcomes of my scuffles.

Water Dragon, haha I'm a 180 pound, stalky guy with a bald head now. I can only wish that I was a supermodel
(yep I lost a few pounds)

Take care,
Ryu

[Ryu (non-working password]

Just saw your last post.
You don't seem like a bad guy, so hope there's no hard feelings for me either.

Take care,
Ryu

[Joe Manco]

Water Pistol ...

You said,
"Possible, but then I could say the same about you. And maybe Ryu is a supermodel, the truth is, none of us know. But I do know that my way of punching works well. I would agree with yours if you mentioned shoulder follow through which is paramount to power development, not the "snap". Somehow I doubt your credentials when you can't even describe what you do."

RESPONSE
Who cares what you doubt? Do you think what I know, or do not know, has to do with your "doubts"? I was talking about the difference in snap between a jab and a vertical punch. In a cross or hook, yes, it's shoulder follow-through. In fact, I agree it is too in a power jab also.

You said,
"Yup, but they also say the power is led by the hand, pulled by the waist and rebounded through the feet. Or, the power is launched by the waist, and simultaneously shot hrough the hands and the feet. Truth is, if you feel any of that when your actually punching, you got some power leaks. When you punch, you should not feel the individual parts of the body at all."

RESPONSE
Bullsh!t. If the driving force of the shot doesn't start from the foot first, the power is lost. Yes, a perfect punch is such that you feel nothing BETWEEN your foot and your fist ... but you'd better be on solid footing, or you are not throwing a power punch.

You said,
"So how exactly do I fight? What's my mindset? How does my style work? You must know since you are assuming that I use the same movement patterns you do."

RESPONSE
I don't know, and I don't care. But if you wade in there w/ vertical fists you either lose a lot or face bums.

You said,
"Was that a challenge? "

RESPONSE
Yes it was. Meet me on the southern tip of Australia at 3:00 pm tomorrow and I will kick your arse

You said,
"Listen tool, some people here like to have intelligent conversations sometimes. And even though we disagree a lot, we also learn from each other. Maybe if you can learn to become involved in a discussion instead of attacking with a "I AM THE MASTER, ONLY I KNOW THE TRUTH" mentality, you could learn somethong too."

RESPONSE
The word is "fool," FOOL, and I know everything there is to know about everything already.

You said,
"If you can be civil, I'd like to keep the discussion going. If you continue to behave like a penis wrinkle, I will not respond."

RESPONSE
My penis is too large and engorged with red blood to have any wrinkles. Try tribulus and yours may work some day too.

LOL

Take care

[Ronin]

Joe Manco:

Your writing and posting style reminds me of someone...

Can't quite put a finger on it...

Oh wait, could it be...

PIT DOG???????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Probably just being paranoid.

[Oberleutnant]

Joe *cough* Pit Dog *cough*: Haha Granted, I do have small hands, and I was throwing a right cross (allbeit a drunken one). But, my opponent didn't duck, but rather fumbled about and my smallest knuckle connected with the cheekbone of a rather large person. I don't care if you are a title holder or what not- alchohol impairs coordination regardless of your skills, and even many pros generally tend to not pinpoint specific targets at which they concentrate on hitting, but rather aim for general areas for the most part; but then again, they're normally in the ring with a skilled opp. which makes pinpointing more risky.

I do agree with most of your points.


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"This goes out to all the women in the world, especially her"- Freak Nasty

[Edited by Oberleutnant on 09-30-2000 at 07:41 PM]

[YeLLa-TiGeR]

Haha, Joe your funny as hell...

LMAO at your last post! Its cool that you can explain the ways to punch in so much detail. Im guessing you box? No hard feelings here either! So give us some information about yourself! Experiences, age that sorta thing. IF you dont mind that is...
Ryu, wassup man?? Life is ok I guess, the forum is back up, but high skool can be pretty hard with all th tests and essays I have due next week. Thank God I have a 4 day weekend coming up! And oh yeah, I bought a piece of sweet japanese technology! A MD walkman! Its sweet and hella expensive.