what striking style would be better for mma

[bigred389]

I don't need to train in it to know(though I will be training in it very soon)... punching is only a tool in muay thai, I've seen many pro fights where only 10-20 punches were thrown... some guys rely on punching very little, and I'm sure train other areas harder. I'm sure there are good punchers out there, but I stand by my statement.

Well then specify, oh master of striking, what exactly is it about boxing that separates its "way of punching" as you put it, from that of Thai Boxing?

[EmptyneSs]

Well then specify, oh master of striking, what exactly is it about boxing that separates its "way of punching" as you put it, from that of Thai Boxing?

how would he know? he just admitted that he doesnt train in either.

[bigred389]

how would he know? he just admitted that he doesnt train in either.

Yeah, but he "stands by his statement."

He should at least have some specifics to back himself up, otherwise he's just talking out of his ass. Maybe he's at least experienced in another similar striking art.

Maybe he's a savate practitioner on the side.
But I want to hear what he has to say.

[jayjayshap]

thanks the school i go to trains also in boxing i signed up for the mauy thai class my friends at the school that fight mma said i will need to know mauy thai so i can defend against attacks and they also said it is very important to learn how to use elbows and knees cause they will do alot more damage if landed correctly the only thing that is bothering me is that when i was in the mauy thai class it was my first time even taking a striking art i am used to grappling i have no stand up it is pathetic i want to have faster hands and good knockout power i don't know how to punch or kick the right way and i don't really have the right mauy thai stance when i first entered the class a fighter that was helping the teacher worked on the side with me for about 15 minutes teaching me the right stance then the class got partnered up and we had to do a drill blocking a punch and countering with an elbow to the face the teacher knows what he is doing he is the 2001 PKL international cruiserwieght champion with a record of 26-0 but i thought that he would first make me get the stance right and then teach the right ways to kick and punch i am used to bjj when the teacher shows you how to sweep or an escape they make you drill it until you have it down in the mauy thai class i had to do drills on the heavy bag at the end of the class first 10 punches 10 push ups then 10 elbows again 10 push ups and 10 kicks,knee's and outside knee's i never had to use a heavy bag for kicks, elbows and knee's so i was kicking wrong punching wrong i mean everything i really want to learn mauy thai i am wondering is this the way mauy thai is taught and eventually i will get the hang of it i just want to know that the way the class is being taught is perfectly normal need some advice

[EmptyneSs]

thanks the school i go to trains also in boxing i signed up for the mauy thai class my friends at the school that fight mma said i will need to know mauy thai so i can defend against attacks and they also said it is very important to learn how to use elbows and knees cause they will do alot more damage if landed correctly the only thing that is bothering me is that when i was in the mauy thai class it was my first time even taking a striking art i am used to grappling i have no stand up it is pathetic i want to have faster hands and good knockout power i don't know how to punch or kick the right way and i don't really have the right mauy thai stance when i first entered the class a fighter that was helping the teacher worked on the side with me for about 15 minutes teaching me the right stance then the class got partnered up and we had to do a drill blocking a punch and countering with an elbow to the face the teacher knows what he is doing he is the 2001 PKL international cruiserwieght champion with a record of 26-0 but i thought that he would first make me get the stance right and then teach the right ways to kick and punch i am used to bjj when the teacher shows you how to sweep or an escape they make you drill it until you have it down in the mauy thai class i had to do drills on the heavy bag at the end of the class first 10 punches 10 push ups then 10 elbows again 10 push ups and 10 kicks,knee's and outside knee's i never had to use a heavy bag for kicks, elbows and knee's so i was kicking wrong punching wrong i mean everything i really want to learn mauy thai i am wondering is this the way mauy thai is taught and eventually i will get the hang of it i just want to know that the way the class is being taught is perfectly normal need some advice

it was only your first class dude. of course you dont have the stance right, you have only taken one lesson lol. just keep training. you are going to feel akward and clumsy for a while until your body gets used to it. so just keep training. my best advice to you is to practice shadow boxing whenever you can. even if its just 5-10 min. when you are shadow boxing dont only concentrate on throwing strikes, but concentrate on moving in all directions as well. shadow boxing is a great tool for strikers.

and yes, your muay thai class sounds right, and yes training in mt and training in bjj are completely different.

also, if your instructor is an undefeated champion in muay thai then you better listen to what he says closely.

[NuffSpeed]

sounds like you are in an "intermediate" type class when you should be in a "beginners" class. Learning the techniques properly is important, shadow boxing with bad technique is going to lead to just that---bad technique. Ask your instructor about a beginners class to get the basics down.

[J-Luck]

Well then specify, oh master of striking, what exactly is it about boxing that separates its "way of punching" as you put it, from that of Thai Boxing?

Focus on punching? As opposed to focus on punching, elbows, knees, and kicks? Isn't this obvious?

[J-Luck]

how would he know? he just admitted that he doesnt train in either.

I am a boxer... when did I admit that? I said I didn't train Muay Thai. You've been in plenty of threads where I said I was a boxer?

[Toudiyama[NL]]

I don't need to train in it to know(though I will be training in it very soon)... punching is only a tool in muay thai, I've seen many pro fights where only 10-20 punches were thrown... some guys rely on punching very little, and I'm sure train other areas harder. I'm sure there are good punchers out there, but I stand by my statement.

Hey I've seen K1 fights where only 4 or 5 lowkicks were thrown
Actually am amazed at how little the dutch fighters use their lowkicks
As to punching only being a tool, what the he do you think it is in boxing? the goal? don't think so, just a tool to hit your oponent either knowout or more times than he can hit you

the main difference is distance, boxing takes place at a shorter distance than MT does, as a result, hooks are more like swings
In MMA the distance is even more than in MT

[J-Luck]

Hey I've seen K1 fights where only 4 or 5 lowkicks were thrown
Actually am amazed at how little the dutch fighters use their lowkicks
As to punching only being a tool, what the he do you think it is in boxing? the goal? don't think so, just a tool to hit your oponent either knowout or more times than he can hit you

the main difference is distance, boxing takes place at a shorter distance than MT does, as a result, hooks are more like swings
In MMA the distance is even more than in MT

There's way more difference than that. I admit, boxing is not the science of punching, it is the science of punching while not being punched... entailing more skills. But the method of attack is still just punching.

[bigred389]

Focus on punching? As opposed to focus on punching, elbows, knees, and kicks? Isn't this obvious?

No, it's not.

First you compare the punches of boxing and Muay Thai to the "grappling" in karate to the more developed systems.

You implied there is some fundamental difference in the techniques. The wristlocks and crap you see in karate is a completely different set of techniques from those used in BJJ, or wrestling, or judo. I mean...not even CLOSE. And in many schools, they're lucky to train in it once a week. That is a tremendous gap.

In the various Muay Thai places I've been to, we warm up each session with straight up boxing techniques before we even get started on the elbows, knees, and kicks. There are also some sparring sessions with punches only. Which is why people have recommended you should train in something before talking smack about it. Watching K-1 fights doesn't mean you know how they train.

And as already mentioned, a lot of Western Muay Thai practitioners and schools have boxing backgrounds, and teach boxing only classes. And it's very easy to transition from boxing to Muay Thai.

Considering I also did boxing BEFORE Muay Thai, as probably did many other people who do MT, I think I know WTF I'm talking about.

[bigred389]

Focus on punching? As opposed to focus on punching, elbows, knees, and kicks? Isn't this obvious?

Oh, btw...those aren't "specifics" those are generalities.

You're practically saying boxing is a subset of MT. Come up with a better answer.

[J-Luck]

No, it's not.

First you compare the punches of boxing and Muay Thai to the "grappling" in karate to the more developed systems.

You implied there is some fundamental difference in the techniques. The wristlocks and crap you see in karate is a completely different set of techniques from those used in BJJ, or wrestling, or judo. I mean...not even CLOSE. And in many schools, they're lucky to train in it once a week. That is a tremendous gap.

In the various Muay Thai places I've been to, we warm up each session with straight up boxing techniques before we even get started on the elbows, knees, and kicks. There are also some sparring sessions with punches only. Which is why people have recommended you should train in something before talking smack about it. Watching K-1 fights doesn't mean you know how they train.

And as already mentioned, a lot of Western Muay Thai practitioners and schools have boxing backgrounds, and teach boxing only classes. And it's very easy to transition from boxing to Muay Thai.

Considering I also did boxing BEFORE Muay Thai, as probably did many other people who do MT, I think I know WTF I'm talking about.

Yes it is .

That comparison, while not the best, was just to illustrate the focus point.

Though I will start training Muay Thai very soon(talking smack... why would I wan to train it if I thought it was bad? .) I have not taken any yet. I have beaten some kickboxers and Muay Thai guys with just the hands, and been beaten by some guys of the same discipline. I have also trained with these guys, though I can't say to the extent that I could compare my kicking with them... or knees.

And just because you guys do training with the hands, doesn't make the skill level to par with a boxer, or the focus level. I'm not sayin a Muay Thai guy doesn't have quick, powerful, hands, I wasn't even suggesting it, I'm just saying it's really not a comparison when you put a put a Muay Thai guy and a boxer of equal athelticism, and skill, and try to see who's got the better hand skills.

I think it would be a very easy translation from boxing to Muay Thai. Did I disagree? Lol you seem to be arguing a couple of points that I 100% agree with. I was never knocking Muay Thai. I found that I was great with elbows right away, they seem to be like a hood, except without the fist.

[J-Luck]

Oh, btw...those aren't "specifics" those are generalities.

You're practically saying boxing is a subset of MT. Come up with a better answer.

My answer was fine, you didn't really have a good response. Those are specifics... to the sport of Muay Thai lol. The focus shift is different. Sure you can be a Muay Thai guy and love punches the best, but you'd sure as hell better know how to kick, elbow and knee. And defend against those. I'm just saying that a boxer only has to avoid and block PUNCHES and throw and create angles for PUNCHES. The focus is different.

[bigred389]

OK hopefully this gets through that thick skull of yours:

You said MT teaches a different WAY of punching.

Having a different focus does not equal having a different way. Get it?

Yeah the boxer probably has better punching. But they use the SAME base for punching. Get it?