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  • Uke
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    I would like to see just ONE point that Mike Brewer has "won" or refuted. If this is the same way that you've been counting all those supposed fights you had on the mean streets of Colorado Springs, then this too paints a perfect picture. Maybe I haven't made this dialogue about the points enough.

    1) Teaching anyone, let alone children and women sportive methods for the use of combat including but not limited to weapon defense and disarms multiple attackers is irresponsible. You won't find a reputable school that claims to teach SD or combatives that uses that approach.

    2)Calling a school premier when you don't know what's being taught there is a fast way to get exposed as being full of shit. The Defense Institute does teach sport kickboxing and does train athletes for participation in MMA events. However, they do NOT blur the line between where sportive methods end and reality begins. I've already provided the link, but it wasn't necessary for me because I know that no one claiming to teach VAJ would make such foolish claims. Unlike some people, there is a strong, concrete curriculum that students don't deviate from.

    And unlike Mike, people who have actually trained for more than 3 years don't have to make shit up as they go along. And its not just VAJ or the Defense Institute. I've been to Renzo's school in NY when he was partnered with Craig Kukuk and they have acknowledged that what they do in the ring is sportive. I have discussed this with Matt Serra, who lives in NY, trained under Renzo and been in the UFC and Abu Dhabi and he acknowledges that what he does is sport. A tough, demanding sport, but sport nonetheless. Matt Thornton has on occasion asked my senior to come to his schools and teach SD and its principles because while he loves and believes in MMA, he is intelligent enough to know that it isn't meant for the streets so he invites one of the best to come introduce his students to street reality. And Thornton flat out puts it out there: "SBGi is not a wrestling Gym, or MMA "fight club". These men are all great at what they do but have enough sense to call a spade a spade.

    Who is Mike Brewer again?

    3)Attempting to discuss subject matter that you don't know about with authority further exposes you as full of shit. No matter how you see it Mike Brewer, you were on the soft and hard topic running at the mouth yet again like you knew what you were talking about even though you admitted in your first post on the topic that you didn't. Several members posting there told you the same, but as usual Mike took it as an attack instead of realizing that people who DID know what they were talking about were telling him that his bullshit was transparent and he should read if he wanted to learn and stop preaching. Of course he opted to preach.

    4)Constantly telling other people on an internet forum about how tough you are makes you lame. This is undeniably true. When you have to take time out to explain to people that you don't know that you've survived through odds and kicked ass that you can't prove, why bother doing it? Its so that you can lend some sort of "Fonzy" coolness to your posts so the younger posters who might be impressed by that bullshit won't question the things that you write.

    5)Why write one thing to disagree with it later?

    Originally posted by Mike Brewer
    Combat is indeed different from ring sport, so if someone trains to compete then they will be missing a whole great big piece of "fighting" when it comes to things like weapons, multiple attackers, surprise attacks, cluttered environments, weight classes or the lack thereof and many other factors. Those things are not part ofthe sport, and therefore, people who train for the sport will generally be unprepared for the variables themselves. To that end, you're 100% correct.
    Oh so you agreed with that? What happened? Change your mind again for no reason?

    Originally posted by Mike Brewer
    Now fighting being what it is, it's always best to train to be the little guy and assume that "He" is always "They," and "they" are always armed. that reduces the effectiveness of MMA to a conditioning and mindset exercise, with your other training taking the lead as far as applicable skill for the situation.
    Isn't that what I've been saying in this debate? That MMA is the sportive training and conditioning methods that kickboxers who now wrestle use? What made you change your mind there? Or are you arguing now just to seem like you know something?

    Its called hypocrisy. You agree, then you later disagree depending on your mood. You're saying nowadays that MMA methods are applicable in SD combat, but just above you wrote that on the street MMA is reduced to conditioning exercises and a mindset. Which is it? Toe jams must be tasty because you sure keep your foot in your mouth a lot, Mike.

    Next you'll be making shit up about how we were saying that MMA fighters COULD NOT learn SD and that SD only works for non-MMA fighters.

    The debate has always been about:

    The way an intelligent man fights is designed around the most lethal ways that he can be harmed and/or killed which are edged weapons and firearms. His goal is to work smarter, not harder. His training is geared to maximize his efforts by being armed and dirty, not to be fair or fun.

    You seemed to have understood that when you wrote the above quotes, but somewhere along the way you got lost. Are you now telling us that within a matter of months you, Mike Brewer, have devised a way for MMA to be all the things you said that it wasn't?

    I doubt it. And the fact that you won't put your personal opinions about combat into practice by opening your own school to compete with the schools that you see as premiere means that you yourself don't even believe what you're writing.

    Your feeble explanation as to how other schools are doing it is nonsense. StraightBlast is NOT an MMA gym and does not teach MMA as a form of street self defense. Defense Institute is NOT an MMA gym and does not teach MMA as street self defense. The Dog Brothers are not an MMA gym and do NOT teach MMA as street self defense. But you mention ALL of these schools to support your arguments, and none of them fit the criteria. They all offer MMA as a sport for competition and fun, but they all make it clear that they're not teaching MMA as a self defense method.

    No one is. So you can continue to write as if you've won something here and pat yourself on the back about arguments that you fail to address. But in the end, all you'll have are the impressionable minds of people here who don't know any better. Have fun doing it, but while you are having fun think about this:

    The man's school who you call premier for reality comes from the same family that I do and teaches the same SD foundation, fundamentals and skillsets that are found here at the headquarters in NYC. You call it premier yet argue against the same methodology that I have been writing all along, which is just another instance of hypocrisy.

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  • knifethrower
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    Originally posted by jubaji View Post
    Just for the record: You can keep this 'bit' up for as long as you like, but your (not so) clever little attempt to make me 'mad' is only going result in making you look like more and more of a moron. I suppose you're used to that by now, but I thought I'd do you the favor of letting you know how transparent and clumsy all this shit is.

    Anyway, carry on if you must.

    Yep.......He's pissed------------------

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  • JkD187
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    Your the man Mike! Glad to see at least you have the Integrity to back up what you believe in 100%.

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  • knifethrower
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    Issues, Issues, Issues,

    Originally posted by jubaji View Post
    That's what they all say...
    Originally posted by jubaji View Post
    think about it for a second, dope
    That's what you ought to consider carefully about yourself...
    Hmmmm…ok…two weird comments but, ok…


    Nothing like what you're talking about. Damn....



    Come on dude...chill--------

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  • jubaji
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    Originally posted by knifethrower View Post
    you got something pinned up inside, man……….


    That's what you ought to consider carefully about yourself...

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  • jubaji
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    think about it for a second, dope

    Originally posted by knifethrower View Post
    Wow...I was having fun with my kids; In a good way. .....



    That's what they all say...

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  • knifethrower
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    Originally posted by jubaji View Post
    No, I don't. I only have your own words on the matter to go by, and they suggest otherwise...
    That's what you get out of it but, not what was put into it.......you got something pinned up inside, man……….

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  • knifethrower
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    Originally posted by jubaji View Post
    Yeah, that's what the good 'ol boys say when trading n****r jokes over a bottle of Jack. Why spoil their fun, right?
    Wow...I was having fun with my kids; In a good way. Nothing like what you're talking about. Damn, dude. I'm shocked.

    Lightn' up, man.....

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  • DickHardman
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    Originally posted by Tom Yum View Post
    I hardly call an armbar, lapel choke, key lock or guillotine dry humping, Uke.
    everyone sees what they want to see bro. if uke watches men grappling and gets turned on by it, thats his problem and he should keep it to himself. not our fault that the 101 submissions dvd is considered pornography to him. whatever. keep that shit to yourself.

    at least we now know the real reason why uke is against mma and jiu jitsu. he is afriad that coming in contact with another man is just way too sexually stimulating for him. too bad it took 26 pages for him to finally reveal it, but now we can finally move on.

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  • Tom Yum
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    Originally posted by Uke View Post
    You believe that you rolling around on the ground, dry humping some other man for an hour is as close to reality as you can get and you have the nerve to call what we've been saying fantasy?
    I hardly call an armbar, lapel choke, key lock or guillotine dry humping, Uke. The armbar snaps the arm at the elbow; the lapel choke uses a mans own collar to cut off his air supply or his circulation; the key lock can be applied at different angles to either break the arm at the elbow or dislocate the shoulder; the guilotine cuts off the air supply.

    When trying to fight from the ground, however you got there, arms and necks lend themselves to these moves all the time.

    You can pull these off in the dojo with a resisting opponent; you can pull them off in the street just as well, especially if you end up on the ground despite your best efforts - I'm guessing breaking someone's arm or choking them unconscious would probably cause some pain.

    A SD ortiented jujitsu practioner isn't going to jump guard on the street; he only does this during a grappling competition.
    Last edited by Tom Yum; 12-24-2006, 02:35 AM.

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  • jubaji
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    Originally posted by knifethrower View Post
    And BTW, you have no idea how close I am to these “folks”.


    No, I don't. I only have your own words on the matter to go by, and they suggest otherwise...

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  • jubaji
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    Originally posted by knifethrower View Post
    but you ALWAYS go there when someone makes a joke. A joke is a joke…..


    Yeah, that's what the good 'ol boys say when trading n****r jokes over a bottle of Jack. Why spoil their fun, right?

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  • knifethrower
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    Originally posted by jubaji View Post
    Well, then one would expect you to be better at it by now...

    I'll keep tryin' too little engine

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  • jubaji
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    Originally posted by knifethrower View Post
    Dude, I’m not here to be “all that” or anything. I’m just here having fun------.



    Well, then one would expect you to be better at it by now...

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  • knifethrower
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    Originally posted by jubaji View Post
    Just for the record: You can keep this 'bit' up for as long as you like, but your (not so) clever little attempt to make me 'mad' is only going result in making you look like more and more of a moron. I suppose you're used to that by now, but I thought I'd do you the favor of letting you know how transparent and clumsy all this shit is.

    Anyway, carry on if you must.
    Dude, I’m not here to be “all that” or anything. I’m just here having fun------
    Originally posted by jubaji View Post
    Oh I don't know, maybe show them some respect?
    I know, I know, maybe I shouldn’t have gone there but you ALWAYS go there when someone makes a joke. A joke is a joke….


    And BTW, you have no idea how close I am to these “folks”. Dude, lighten up.

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