Uke, in your SD training, don't you train with sparringgloves and try to hit eachother in the face? As a part of the SD training? Or do you only train weapons training?
And don't you train on the ground, and how to avoid getting hammered on the ground and how to get up on your feet?
For me, MMA is boxing, and wrestling, and juijutsu... I don't get it, don't you (Uke) use any of that in your SD?
You don't have to call it boxing or juijutsu.. but what I'm asking is if you train (for the empty hand SD part) with gloves and try to punch eachother, really punch each other in the face so as to greate a stress moment for the trainees? I mean I would call that boxing, which would be a part of MMA, right?
I assume you do... I can't image you guys training with weapons a lot, then when someone asks "um, what do we do if none of us have weapons?", you just say "oh, that's the easy part. You just hit him on the jaw and such" and then not train that in a live fashion.
And that's where I get a bit confused. Aren't you guys (Mike and Uke) advocating the same thing without you guys knowing it, just calling it something else?
Where is the DIFFERANCE in the actual TRAINING Mike and Uke? That's what I would like to know, because that is not clear to me.
And Uke, the way you have phrased it several times you make it sounds as if you really believe that Mike promotes MMA as the whole solution for SD, which he has clearly stated several times is not the case. So please clearify if you still believe this is the case.
Now Uke, I understand that PURE MMA is not satisfactoy for SD, but that MMA needs to be tweaked to fit more into SD, like adding groin attacks and such things?
I'm trying to understand this whole discussion. Uke and Mike, what is MMA to you? Perhaps it's just a missunderstanding of the term and what it includes in the context of SD?
And my final question is what are two grown men doing trying to WIN a discussion on the internet? WIN it. As if there is an internet judge handing out points and awarding a WINNER? Come on guys. The mentality of WINNING an argument is the wrong one IMHO. The right one should be to seek to UNDERSTAND the counterpart out of CURIOUSITY. This winning mentality is what leads to defensive attitudes and personal attacks.
You both have been degrading towards your counterpart at one time or another, the same tactics used by politicians trying to WIN an election... and both sides end up looking bad as it just gets dirtier and dirtier.
To illustrate this point here is a made up and pretty extreme example that involves the typical verbally agressive forum poster and one that has had training in conflict handling or whatever, hehe:
A: We train SD like this, and bla bla bla...
B: wow your training is so bad A, it sucks.. and what do you know about SD anyway you bum!?
A: Hi B.. why do you feel my training sucks? I'm really curious now, perhaps I can improve it! How do you guys train SD B? I'm not sure why you called me a bum, since that's not how I view myself. I've been learning and training about SD for about 10 years, I'm very interested in this subject. What is your own experince with SD?
I know that's a silly example. But if you look at it and compare it to you guys, none of you has had the will power to "stay civil" when the other one didn't (who started it is not the issue).
In any case, who would a reader take more serious, the one doing personal attacks or the one not doing them?
Mike, I fairly certain you will say that you have kept from making personal attacks. That may be technically true, but your intentions still shine through, when you say stuff like "oh I crushed you on that one, I really hope you have something better to come back with, that was way too easy, har har har..". That is what I READ in my mind, even though you don't phrase it that way.
Same goes for the discrediting attacks from Uke... All this stuff guys.. it should so be beneath you.
I enjoy reading the forums, but this kind of stuff brings it down, when not even the experts who know how to express themselves can keep from lowering the level down to the WINNING mentality instead of keeping it up in the "let's exchange ideas/experiences in a friendly manner" level.
If only all posters (at least those above a certain age or maturity level) could have this ability to "turn the other cheek" (It's a good expression) and not get sucked into pissing contests... maybe then we would still have very knowledgeable posters like boar actually sharing their view. I must admit I got curious about what he knows, but I know there is no point in asking him now because of the mentality on the forums.
Well I could go on and on about this, so I'll stop my rant now for this time beeing.
Anyway, my advice is always assume the replies you get are well meant, written in a HAPPY STATE, and treat them as such EVEN if they are not! Answer them as if your writing to a friend on the other end! That may very well get the conversation going in a positive, constructive direction instead of a pissing contest. Just try it.
Thanks to Mike and Uke for your efforts! It's very interesting to read, even though I feel the winning mentality get's in the way and makes the communication way less effective. :P
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