Human Weapon on History Channel

[7r14ngL3Ch0k3]

I am not fuckin kidding you, its terrible. In any case, its geared towards an audience with absolutely zero knowledge about MAs, which I would assume is a demographic you are not a part of.

when has there ever been a better martial arts show on tv? exactly

its a really good show, especially cause theyre focising on all the "good" martial arts

[jubaji]

when has there ever been a better martial arts show on tv? exactly

its a really good show, especially cause theyre focising on all the "good" martial arts

Are you related to one of those two doofuses or something?

[bigboywasim]

I do Muay Thai and Kyokushin Kaikan. Muay Thai is overrated in my opinion. Yes it is one of the best styles for striking but people make it like it is unbeatable and only way anyone can survive against a Muay Thai guy is if one knows Muay Thai in the standup.

I learned Kyokushin first and Muay Thia later. The main thing was conditioning my shins being able to take punches to the face. I could take hella hits though. The reason is in Kyokoshin we have no gloves. We hit with our bare hands and it is twice as bad. We get kicked in the head. Sure we don't get punched in the face but a nice kick in the face once in a while will teach one how to take hits in the face.

There is no way that MMA guy would have beat a FMA guy in a real fight unless he new how to use the stick just as well or knife. That is what FMA is all about. These guys are the best at weapons and the main style of Dog Brothers is FMA. I also do FMA and got to watch them in action in the Bay Area and it was fun as hell. I don't think I am good enough to take a beating from them though.

[bigboywasim]

Um...actually...no.
With bare fists, you the rate of cuts bumps, and bruising goes up...but the hits aren't anywhere near as hard as those delivered with gloves.

with gloves = greater risk of internal injuries.

If the hits were to the head then I can understand that they can not be as hard because of a high chance of an injury risk. They are to the body at full power. A golve will soften the hit a little. With bare hands it will hurt more. Trust me I have experience.

There is a big difference in the gloves in MMA and the ones in K-1. You feel the hit more in MMA because the gloves are lighter. Same idea here. The K-1 guys usually have more power in their hands though because standup is all they do.

Imagine if boxers did not use gloves.

[jeff5]

I realize those are the rules of Kyokushinkai, I'm just saying I think its a flawed training methodology. You train yourself to not guard your chin/face and keep your chin out like that, your asking to be knocked out. No doubt the Kyo guys are tough and can take a beating to the body. Just not guarding your head is bad bad bad.

I train FMA as well bigboywasim, have on and off for a long time, as well as weapons in other arts like Silat and Krabi Krabrong. There are many good techniques and training methodologies within the FMA. As with anything else though, there are also many techinques and training methodologies that I don't like and believe would get you killed. Unfortunatley the WEKAF stuff they showed in the beginning of the episode as well as how that FMA "champion" trained and fought against the MMA guy fall into the latter catergory in my opinion.

The FMA guy beating the MMA guy in a "real" fight? Define real. The MMA guy took him down and could have beat his head in when he was on the ground if there were no refs there. The way that FMA guy fought, if he fought under Dog Brothers rules, I think he would get his ass handed to him.

[bigboywasim]

I realize those are the rules of Kyokushinkai, I'm just saying I think its a flawed training methodology. You train yourself to not guard your chin/face and keep your chin out like that, your asking to be knocked out. No doubt the Kyo guys are tough and can take a beating to the body. Just not guarding your head is bad bad bad.

I train FMA as well bigboywasim, have on and off for a long time, as well as weapons in other arts like Silat and Krabi Krabrong. There are many good techniques and training methodologies within the FMA. As with anything else though, there are also many techinques and training methodologies that I don't like and believe would get you killed. Unfortunatley the WEKAF stuff they showed in the beginning of the episode as well as how that FMA "champion" trained and fought against the MMA guy fall into the latter catergory in my opinion.

The FMA guy beating the MMA guy in a "real" fight? Define real. The MMA guy took him down and could have beat his head in when he was on the ground if there were no refs there. The way that FMA guy fought, if he fought under Dog Brothers rules, I think he would get his ass handed to him.

I have watched the fight and know what you guys are talking about. There had to be rules of some kind or else there will be serious injury. I also find this way of stick fighting to suck. Do not think all FMA is like this. I like the way Dog Brothers fight.

What I am saying is that if your average MMA guy was fight your average Dog Brother guy he would get is ass handed to him if he did not have at lest descent weapon fighting skills.

In a real fight there are no masks or rules (street fight). So good wack to the face or head and you out. Or a nice slash or stab and you gone. No chance for a MMA guy to fight a FMA guy as long as he does not know FMA or any other weapon style. Since FMA is mainly a weapon style that is what I am talking about with weapons.

Now if you train fedor to be a blackbelt in FMA. I would pay 1000 dollars to watch him fight with the Dog Brothers.

[jeff5]

...
The first disarm might've ended it...or a few strikes with a real stick...
and even those are used in place of the flattened hardwood sticks or machetes...

A disarm with a machete is literally a dis-arm!

Yeah a hit with a Kamagong or Bahi stick, real fighting sticks, and stuff is breaking.

[Blue Wave Gym]

Lol exibition matches when? the thai, savate a karate fights were all FULL CONTACT the only part that was exibition was the fight to a draw part. Do you think the mma guy would do any kind of fight other than full contact that's like me doing a point fighting tournament or a junior rules(not full contact) tkd tournament lol It was great when perciville tenderized the mma guy with the baston though

[jubaji]

Yeah, so is pro wrestling...

Lol exibition matches when? the thai, savate a karate fights were all FULL CONTACT

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[jubaji]

I like how the various fighters all look kind of embarrassed/pissed at being coerced into performing the little 'show' at the end.

[Tom Yum]

Cancellation.

I think they should make jubaji the host

[jubaji]

Is that Gin and Tonic immobility?

[nathan rd]

Am I the only one who thinks that the Pankration episdoe kicked ass?

[jeff5]

I agree with Garland. I do think its amireable that they've tried to put the art back together. You have to remember there are NO records except for some vases and frescos of how those guys fought. (I'm talking pancrase, with weapons etc.) So yeah they kind of glossed over the fact that its basically cobbled together from most of the arts that make up MMA. I did like the training on the mountain, that was pretty hard core. I also liked a lot of the training and throws from the clinch etc. I wasn't that impressed with the guy who fought Bill at the end. First, no blows to the head, again a horrible way to spar and train. I just think it instills extremely bad habits. I also didn't think that the pankration guy did a very good job of sprawling or knowing how to escape. (although Bill is a big guy and does know how to put his weight on someone as he was a wrestler)

[fire cobra]

Havent seen the pankration episode yet,but Arvantis was doing that stuff way back when i first started martial arts more than 30 years ago,so pre modern day mma.