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[DickHardman]

Hey, I'm not belittling anything. When the biggest COMBATIVES! cheerleader also expresses views that suggest strongly that he is a racist I want to clarify whether those views are associated with the system he studies or are merely another of his personal failings. As a fellow COMBATIVES! practitioner I would think you might want to correct that behavior and/or distance yourself from him lest he besmirch your system with his racism.

lol @ this monkey........


...be careful, with all the time you spend in front of the comp trolling defend.net you may re-injure your twig neck again.....

[jubaji]

I just wanted to make sure that we were clear that someone was mixing his own prejudiced against something I hold dear to myself along with some stupid bullshit.

Where do you see prejudice against COMBATIVES!?

[jubaji]

lol @ this monkey........


...be careful, with all the time you spend in front of the comp trolling defend.net you may re-injure your twig neck again.....

How's the pot today, Cheech? You and the aliens getting good and stoned?

[kingoftheforest]

Here you go Tom

Here is a little article that quickly covers Krav Maga. It is from an issue of Black Belt magazine.
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Commando Krav Maga is an Israeli fighting art co-founded by Moni Aizik. Commando Krav Maga, aka CKM, focuses on defeating armed attackers. The system was officially born in 1973, when Aizik was asked by the Israeli Defense Forces to revamp their then-current Krav Maga program. Aizik visits Israel regularly to train the Sayeret units and Yamam, updating his system's content based on these units' experiences. Commando Krav Maga is positioned mainly as a military self-defense system but makes modifications for civilian students and has been successfully geared toward that market by promoting avoidance, quick engagement and finishing—thus applying Special Forces principles to civilian street survival. Commando Krav Maga especially promotes quick finishes and disengagements in response to the concept of escalation avoidance, as well as employing the use of continuous surprise attacks. In drills, a student may be surrounded by other students (some armed, some not) who repeatedly attack and give the central student little rest or time to recalibrate. The individual has to react on instinct to both armed and unarmed attacks, including throws, kicks and punches. This exploration of multiple dimensions of conflict interaction serves to unify many styles of training and expertise while highlighting the individual's weaknesses and providing a forum for focused improvement and skill revision.
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There you go Tom.

[Tom Yum]

Where do you see prejudice against COMBATIVES!?

Jubaji, every time a combatives practitioner or non-MMA type guy gets on here you rail 'em. That's what he's talking about.

You used to rail the trolls, the real trolls but now you just rail on some non-MMA dudes and Dick Hardman.

[Shoot]

Krav Maga

I studied with some Krav guys for about a year. I was very impressed with the curriculum and the professionalism of the school. Krav is divided into two main categories: 1. self defense and 2. fighting. My focus was on fighting which was essentially MMA with a preference for staying on your feet or putting the other guy down with a throw. But, we did some of the self defense stuff too as it helped us with our fight training--tons of fun. It's pretty cool to see how you'd fair against a knife or gun or stick or multiple opponents.

I can't say enough good things about this systems--it's simple. The theory is to harbor aggression and obtain your highest level of fitness--aggression (or "proper mindset") and fitness go a long way toward surviving a physical altercation. Add some skills and you greatly increase your likelihood of success, especially when the skills are simple.

We ran all kinds of drills like you saw on the show. We'd train with super loud music for distractions. We'd train from starting on your back, mounted---hammer fists and bucking the guy on top fighting tooth and nail to escape.

If traditional martial arts are a sword, Krav is a battle axe--you just blast, blast, blast--perfection of form takes a second to execution--getting it done.

Glad you all liked the show.

[Tom Yum]

Here is a little article that quickly covers Krav Maga. It is from an issue of Black Belt magazine.
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Commando Krav Maga is an Israeli fighting art co-founded by Moni Aizik. Commando Krav Maga, aka CKM, focuses on defeating armed attackers. The system was officially born in 1973, when Aizik was asked by the Israeli Defense Forces to revamp their then-current Krav Maga program. Aizik visits Israel regularly to train the Sayeret units and Yamam, updating his system's content based on these units' experiences. Commando Krav Maga is positioned mainly as a military self-defense system but makes modifications for civilian students and has been successfully geared toward that market by promoting avoidance, quick engagement and finishing—thus applying Special Forces principles to civilian street survival. Commando Krav Maga especially promotes quick finishes and disengagements in response to the concept of escalation avoidance, as well as employing the use of continuous surprise attacks. In drills, a student may be surrounded by other students (some armed, some not) who repeatedly attack and give the central student little rest or time to recalibrate. The individual has to react on instinct to both armed and unarmed attacks, including throws, kicks and punches. This exploration of multiple dimensions of conflict interaction serves to unify many styles of training and expertise while highlighting the individual's weaknesses and providing a forum for focused improvement and skill revision.
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There you go Tom.

I've heard of and seen krav maga on t.v. before - seems a bit like JKD with a more combatives focus rather than philisophical. Not saying JKD isn't combative, but it seems like Krav focuses a lot on the concept of personal protection.

[kingoftheforest]

A little more in dept

Here is a little more on the art
.................................................................................................... ........Krav Maga (Hebrew קרב מגע: "contact combat") is a self-defense and military hand-to-hand combat system developed in Israel, which assumes no quarter, and emphasizes maximum threat neutralization in a "real life" context. It came to prominence following its adoption by various Israeli Security Forces and is now used by military and law enforcement personnel, as well as civilians, around the world.

In some countries, a simplified version is often taught in civilian self defense classes. This excludes numerous 'more lethal' or forceful techniques taught in a military or police context, because of legal proscriptions restricting the teaching of hazardous or life-threatening techniques without appropriate legal authorization.

The generic name in Hebrew means "close combat." The word maga (מגע) means "contact" and the word krav (קרב) means "combat," but the literal translation "contact combat" could be confused with "full contact" martial arts, such as "full contact karate."

Basic principles

In Krav Maga, there are no hard-and-fast rules, and no distinction in training for men and women. It is not a sport, and there are no specific uniforms, attire or competitions. All the techniques focus on maximum efficiency in real-life conditions. Krav Maga generally assumes a no quarter situation; the attacks and defenses are intended for potentially lethal threat situations, and aim to neutralize these and escape via maximum pain or damage to opponents, as rapidly and safely as possible. Crippling attacks to vulnerable body parts, including groin and eye strikes, headbutts, and other efficient and potentially brutal attacks, improvized use of any objects available, and maximizing personal safety in a fight, are emphasized.

The guiding principles for those performing Krav Maga techniques are:

* Neutralize the threat
* Avoid injury
* Go from defending to attacking as quickly as possible
* Use the body's natural reflexes
* Strike at any vulnerable point
* Use any tool or object nearby

According to a description written for the self-publication media site Associated Content, the basic premises of Krav Maga are: [1]

* You're not going to care how much damage you're going to cause.
* Cause as much damage as possible and run.
* Do not try and prolong a fight. Do what needs to be done and escape.

The basic idea is to first deal with the immediate threat (being choked, for example), prevent the attacker from re-attacking, and then neutralize the attacker, proceeding through all steps in a methodical manner, despite the rush of adrenaline that occurs in such an attack. The emphasis is put on taking the initiative from the attacker as soon as possible.

Techniques

Although Krav Maga shares many techniques with other martial arts, such as boxing, savate and muay thai (for the punches, kicks, elbows, and knees) or jujutsu, judo and wrestling (for the grappling and disarming techniques), the training is often quite different. It stresses fighting under worst-case conditions or from disadvantaged positions (for example, against several opponents, when protecting someone else, with one arm unusable, when dizzy, or against armed opponents). Unlike Karate there are no predefined sequences of moves or choreographed styles; instead Krav Maga emphasizes rapid learning and the retzev ("continuous combat motion"), with the sole imperative being effectiveness,[2] for either attack or defensive situations.

Krav maga instructors emphasize two paradoxical training rules: (1) there are no rules in a fight and (2) one must not injure oneself or one's partner when training.[3] Training is an intense mixed aerobic and anaerobic workout, relying heavily on protective pads in order to experience both delivery and defense of strikes at full force. This is important because it allows the student to practice the technique at full strength, and the student holding the pad learns a little of the impact they'd feel when they get hit. It can be almost as taxing to hold a pad as to practice against one. Some schools incorporate "Strike and Fight," which consists of full-contact sparring intended to familiarize the student with the stresses of a violent situation.

Training may employ a speaker system blasting loud music, stroboscope and/or fog machine, meant to train the student to ignore peripheral distractions and focus on causing as much damage as possible. Training might also contain ways to deal with situations which could end in fights. Physical and verbal methods to avoid violence whenever possible are taught.

A typical Krav Maga session in a civilian school is about an hour long and mixes conditioning with self-defense teaching. As levels increase, the instructors focus a little more on complicated and less common types of attacks, such as knife attacks, hostage situations and defense under extreme duress. First, the instructor will run a very intense drill to get the class's heart rates up. Then, after stretching, the instructor will teach two or three self-defense techniques. In the beginning the techniques will either be combatives (punches, hammer-fists, elbows, knees and roundhouse kicks, for example) or grappling (breaking out of chokes or wrist-grabs, getting out from under an opponent while on one's back). After that, the class usually moves to a drill that combines the techniques just taught with an aerobic technique. Finally, there is the final drill intended to burn out the students. Depending on the class - and on the instructor's mood - this drill may be at the very beginning or at the end of the class.



"The use of dirty tactics are highly encouraged in Krav Maga. In a real fight, those who fight "fair" do not get to stand afterwards. Fighting fair and defending yourself are two different things. Fighting for honor and fighting for survival are two different things. When having to defend yourself, honor does not play a role. [...] In short, it teaches you how to "survive" in the worst situations of combat."
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I love the quote at the end. It comes from an instructor but sadly didn't give his name.

[kingoftheforest]

The theory is to harbor aggression and obtain your highest level of fitness--aggression (or "proper mindset") and fitness go a long way toward surviving a physical altercation. Add some skills and you greatly increase your likelihood of success, especially when the skills are simple.

We ran all kinds of drills like you saw on the show. We'd train with super loud music for distractions. We'd train from starting on your back, mounted---hammer fists and bucking the guy on top fighting tooth and nail to escape.

If traditional martial arts are a sword, Krav is a battle axe--you just blast, blast, blast--perfection of form takes a second to execution--getting it done.

You said it bro. Proper mindset and realistic training. And I bet you guys didn't have to hit 100% power to train did you? But you still learned to defend yourself and nobody died in class? Great stuff isn't it.

Krav Maga is basically a modified combative type self defense system. Some schools tone it down to protect civilians who take it but for the most part the theory is totally hit first then figure out what was going on after you know you are safe.

[jubaji]

Jubaji, every time a combatives practitioner or non-MMA type guy gets on here you rail 'em. That's what he's talking about.

You used to rail the trolls, the real trolls but now you just rail on some non-MMA dudes and Dick Hardman.

First of all, if Dick isn't a troll then they don't exist.

Second, I don't go after combatives folks specifically for being combatives folks. Find me a post where I said combatives suck. You will not. You will find me criticize individuals who happen to study combatives (or anything else) and who make repeated categorical statements that amount to "Combatives (or whatever) rules and everything else is stupid for 'da street'!" That's what I go after. In the case of pUke, every f-ing thing he says is in one form or another "Combatives rules and everything else is inferior!" pUke's needle has been stuck for years now.

Folks want to study combatives, great, go for it. If it floats yer boat, good for you. I have no axe to grind against combatives itself per se. If fact, find me a post where I've said any art itself sucks (other than a few TKD jokes). I've gotten on the case of combatives folks, BJJ folks, TMA folks, you name it when they stray into "is better than anything else/is unbeatable/gives me superhuman abilities/etc" territory.

[Tom Yum]

First of all, if Dick isn't a troll then they don't exist..

lol. He brings attention to himself.

Second, I don't go after combatives folks specifically for being combatives folks. Find me a post where I said combatives suck. You will not. You will find me criticize individuals who happen to study combatives (or anything else) and who make repeated categorical statements that amount to "Combatives (or whatever) rules and everything else is stupid for 'da street'!" That's what I go after. In the case of pUke, every f-ing thing he says is in one form or another "Combatives rules and everything else is inferior!" pUke's needle has been stuck for years now.

I can't find an instance where you said combatives sucks, but that seems to be the tone of some of your posts. I could be wrong.

And yes, Uke seems to say this too.

Folks want to study combatives, great, go for it. If it floats yer boat, good for you. I have no axe to grind against combatives itself per se. If fact, find me a post where I've said any art itself sucks (other than a few TKD jokes). I've gotten on the case of combatives folks, BJJ folks, TMA folks, you name it when they stray into "is better than anything else/is unbeatable/gives me superhuman abilities/etc" territory.

Thanks for the clarification on your stance but if someone studies a TMA style and you think something isn't going to work, its probably a good idea to come up with reasons why it won't work first rather than headbutt the spearker before he's done talking lol.

[Uke]

doubled!

[Uke]

How is me calling a dog a dog racist? And how is that a part of combatives? The krav Maga episode mirrored much of what I've written here. I only highlight the Israeli SF because what I've written has been highly disputed here at Depends. Since what they(Mossad instructors) said during that episode was what I have been saying since those debates began, I thought I'd offer a little reinforcement.

Its just that now that Jubaji has been exposed as a melon headed mongrel he likes to whine and cry about it. Of all people who wants to cry about disruption, this ass shouldn't be one of them.

[jubaji]

Yeah, good idea to start backing out of those racist comments now, pUke.

[Uke]

Jubaji the mongrel seems to think that I'm a broken record. That's only because he lacks proper training and education in the fighting arts. He thinks that because time has gone by the truths about combat are supposed to change, which is why he accuses me of being a broken record. But as we see here in the combatives episode, the concepts and maxims of combat remain the same.

So no matter how many different topics we create, the truth will remain the same. I know Jubaji the mongrel wishes that things would change so that his beloved MMA could somehow be seen as formidable in circles outside of sports entertainment, but it won't as long as realistic methods exist. Yet, Jubaji the mongrel still is tired with that information. He wants to talk about staring guys down in bars and sumo wrestling. And any attempt to discuss anything else is met with extreme hostility.

He wants to hear about what he wants to hear about, not what's being used for practical applications or at the top levels of RBSD, even though he frequents the Urban Street Combatives forum with nothing to add except for him suplexing men in parking lots and getting smacked in the mouth. Even across the ocean in Israel at the world famous Mossad, the instructors are teaching what I've been discussing here.

And most credible sources know this. Which makes sense for Jubaji the mongrel to be among those who don't.

As far as me backing out of comments, why would I? I have nothing to fear, least of all from you, two faced mongrel.