Working out with the ladies.-No it's dirty.

[Ghost]

I just remember about a month ago when I went up against a new guy and was really crushing him (yes, I was fairly light) and he was like "But I made you work for it, didn't I? You had to work hard, right?" I also accidentally asked him if he was okay at one point, forgetting that saying that is like the worst thing you can do. I quickly started backpedalling ("I mean, uh, because that other guy really worked you...") You go easier on new guys, on people that are smaller, maybe on untrained women but if they are highly trained you go to easy on them and then you'll get all confused when they tap you out.

One time I got to class about ten minutes late and my coach at the time asked this guy to take me through the drills. I did about ten of each (I was new) and then the guy just stopped. Our coach at the time (who definitely had people go easier on me and the other chick) was pissed. He said he counted five and twenty and I needed to do fifty and fifty and that guy better be helping me. Just because someone is new or small or female (or all three) doesn't mean they aren't there to work hard. Oh, and not all chicks that train BJJ want to be like a guy. I just think it's fun. And lots and lots of women who train and fight are downright girly. Fuckin' stereotypes.

What else...William I like your sig quote, and Garland, my money's on whichever chick you can get to kick the shit out of DickH.

this is the typical martial arts mistake though, you were going against a guy in a controlled environment, he was new and wanting to be in the beginner category, he was effectively in a groups territory he didnt belong to.
if you broke into his house and threatened his family id expect you would die.

[Little Apple]

OK, hold on. First: Ghost, you don't know her, you shouldn't assume things. Second: you're right, a 110 guy will be stronger than me, but again- Sparring isn't Fighting.

People get all hung up on the whole "girls are smaller and weaker, blah blah blah, and you can't argue because it's a Fact!" Chill.

The reason you can have a class with 20 people in it, is that a class isn't the ring. A class isn't your house in the middle of the night, with the other 19 people individually trying to break into it. It's a place where people come to work hard, and learn stuff. The greater variation between your training partners, the higher your skill level will be. I think it's good for people to spar outside of their category sometimes.

And if you're with someone little- work your technique; make it a point not to just bulldoze them. Maybe then you'll be able to get more from your class, instead of working with them "just for their benefit" because they're so much weaker that it's "useless" for you.

[DickHardman]

no offense, but female martial artists are usually pretty wack.

and 95% of martial arts is just posturing for others.

[Ghost]

OK, hold on. First: Ghost, you don't know her, you shouldn't assume things. Second: you're right, a 110 guy will be stronger than me, but again- Sparring isn't Fighting.

People get all hung up on the whole "girls are smaller and weaker, blah blah blah, and you can't argue because it's a Fact!" Chill.

The reason you can have a class with 20 people in it, is that a class isn't the ring. A class isn't your house in the middle of the night, with the other 19 people individually trying to break into it. It's a place where people come to work hard, and learn stuff. The greater variation between your training partners, the higher your skill level will be. I think it's good for people to spar outside of their category sometimes.

And if you're with someone little- work your technique; make it a point not to just bulldoze them. Maybe then you'll be able to get more from your class, instead of working with them "just for their benefit" because they're so much weaker that it's "useless" for you.

so basically you are saying that the only place it works for women is in the dojo

[SheBear]

I guess it is just that born-in, hardwired aspect of every man that says "You should not hit girls/women".

Nahh, that's just social rule, because why then do other cultures accept and even condone hitting women?

By all means, not saying it should be ok to hit anyone, just thought i'd point that out though.
Anyway, I've had guys go easy on me before, I suspect because I'm a slender woman. And yes i do have less strength, but some have experienced OTHER, possibly more painful things I can do to them (I'm good with pressue points and little places on the body to press if I want them to let go, move back, or distract them). Those who know me don't discriminate anymore. Beside, a lot of women have higher pain tolerance then men, so I say bring it on, teehee.

[SheBear]

Catching up on some posts now. Some people assume that not taking it easy on them means throwing them around and beating them up.

We've had men turn up that were worse than me, physically and mentally unready for combat. So whoever parters up with them should tailor what they do, no less or no more than they would to a woman in equal position. That doesn't mean you treat them like glass, but just give them a chance and room to practice technique and get used to to the whole thing. Men or women likewise.

Now, at training, during drills, is it always necessary to overpower one another? Unless it sumo wrestling (i think, don't know much about it) usually not. BJJ, judo, yeah...to an extent... but it's MA, it's about technique too. So I don't see strength always being such an issue.

I guess it also extends to sparring too, to an extent. There's more inclination to use strength, but it's a chance to apply technique, not arm wrestle.

[treelizard]

this is the typical martial arts mistake though, you were going against a guy in a controlled environment, he was new and wanting to be in the beginner category, he was effectively in a groups territory he didnt belong to.
if you broke into his house and threatened his family id expect you would die.

Naw, I was just trying to get past guard. I was way easier on him than some of the guys were. We were just breaking him in; he's okay.

[KickNit]

But think of sparring a smaller man: If you could find a man who was 110, how would you spar with him? That's how I like guys to spar with me.

I don't think you'd like that at all. Most guys would have a hay day with a guy who weighs 110.

[Yessir]

@RichardThrower

I understand where you're coming from, I use to feel the same way about striking with/on a girl, I don't feel bad about rolling with though.

I think the only way to get past it is to keep sparring with girls till you're comfortable with.

But then again, why don't you just spar with some of the guys in the class?

[Little Apple]

OK Ghost, let me see if I can cover all the points with this one: No, I disagree with you. I think you're underestimating women's potential. I think that class is about technique and conditioning, not proving who you can pulverize. I do think that the average woman who walks into a class off the street is in a very different place than someone who is more solid with it. For your average woman, I agree with you completely; however, I've been thrown around like a rag doll, slammed into walls, given a concussion in class, and countless other things: and I think this thread is getting out of proportion. Wasn't it originally about sparring in a class setting? You take it easy on Everyone in a class setting, you're just probably more aware of it with women. One more time for the record~ Sparring isn't Fighting.
Chill.

Oh, and no, it's not useless outside of class, but that's a whole other can of worms.

Kicknit: see above. I'm still training, so clearly you're underestimating me. (Evil Laughter! I will use this to my advantage! What you value most will soon belong to me!!!!)

[KickNit]

Kicknit: see above. I'm still training, so clearly you're underestimating me. (Evil Laughter! I will use this to my advantage! What you value most will soon belong to me!!!!)

I never underestimate the enemy!

[gregimotis]

I don't think you'd like that at all. Most guys would have a hay day with a guy who weighs 110.

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ROFL

[DickHardman]

we still havent even discussed the high tech check fingerprints and eyescans, and the high speed broadband with the eyecam.

[Ghost]

OK Ghost, let me see if I can cover all the points with this one: No, I disagree with you. I think you're underestimating women's potential. I think that class is about technique and conditioning, not proving who you can pulverize. I do think that the average woman who walks into a class off the street is in a very different place than someone who is more solid with it. For your average woman, I agree with you completely; however, I've been thrown around like a rag doll, slammed into walls, given a concussion in class, and countless other things: and I think this thread is getting out of proportion. Wasn't it originally about sparring in a class setting? You take it easy on Everyone in a class setting, you're just probably more aware of it with women. One more time for the record~ Sparring isn't Fighting.
Chill.

Oh, and no, it's not useless outside of class, but that's a whole other can of worms.

Kicknit: see above. I'm still training, so clearly you're underestimating me. (Evil Laughter! I will use this to my advantage! What you value most will soon belong to me!!!!)

im talking about the average woman though, i did acknowledge earlier that some women are different.

[Little Apple]

Oh. I guess I didn't remember that, sorry. Very good then, glad we agree.

Kicknit: Never the less, you will rue the day you posted on this thread! Rue it I say, RUE! Mwaaaa-haa-haaaaaa!