Working out with the ladies.-No it's dirty.

[Ghost]

I treat male and female students the same. How hard I push someone is based more on their individual skill and mindset then their gender. I've had a few women over the years who were real animals, and I've had guys who were timid as heck. Women need to be pushed just as much as the guys in training. It's true that most women are weaker then men and will have a tougher time in most physical confrontations with men, but I'm very weapon oriented and instruct the women on how to equalize the odds with various implements (if they're open to it).

It's interesting that the few times I've seen training with women get a little weird is when a guy accidentally grabs, brushes against, or touches a breast or the crotch area in the course of training, then suddenly jumps back flustered and apologizes profusely drawing attention the the fact. It's better to just ignore and continue training through....as long as it's not blatant touching that is.



William

of course you would want to train them the same, but if you look at your past sparring i expect youve hit guy friends harder than you have lady ones.

[treelizard]

It's interesting that the few times I've seen training with women get a little weird is when a guy accidentally grabs, brushes against, or touches a breast or the crotch area in the course of training, then suddenly jumps back flustered and apologizes profusely drawing attention the the fact. It's better to just ignore and continue training through....as long as it's not blatant touching that is.

One of the first times I rolled the coach said "you are grappling with a man. be aware that you may get touched by accident." then he turned to the guy and said "make sure it's an accident!" lol

[Garland]

yeah, being really honest i think its good for women to learn to defend themselves but the reality is that the average guy will just smash a woman to bits, you know when a guy is really trying to take their head off, chances are the training is going to make little difference as women just dont have the strength. i know that might seem sexist but its the truth.

Women are more durable than you might imagine.
And...you shouldn't be trying to take anyone's head off in training...the goal is to TRAIN...unless you do dogbrothers shit all day everyday. (which you don't.)

[DickHardman]

yeah, being really honest i think its good for women to learn to defend themselves but the reality is that the average guy will just smash a woman to bits, you know when a guy is really trying to take their head off, chances are the training is going to make little difference as women just dont have the strength. i know that might seem sexist but its the truth.
women get into a false sense of security through martial arts sometimes. the idea of a man hitting a woman with the same force as the hit a guy wont ultimately work.

its true ghost. im not trying to be sexist either, its just the truth. there are women who have been training way longer than me at my gym, and i wouldnt even need to use MA to beat them, i could just strength to overpower them if i wanted to. the difference between males and females is really large, thats why males are usually the ones who are the protector and whatnot. most martial arts really arent going to help women fight off a male attacker in SD situation unless she is armed with a weapon or her level of training is so high that it compensates for the large difference in strength and aggression. even in jiu jitsu, ive rolled with females who have much higher rank than me, and even then i had to tone everything down so much. i basically have to flow train with them while they are going like 100% its just the truth, men and women are physically built different.

i get partnered up with women all the time, there is simply no way that i can personally use the same amount of force on them as i do males around my own size. its ludicrous to even think of doing that. i do my best to push my female partners hard without injuring them, but theres simply no way i can hit them like i would a guy. it would either injure the women, get my ass kicked by other guys who didnt like seeing me hit a women that hard, and the chick would probably not want to continue sparring with me. ive had a few chicks get really mad at me for hitting them hard, even though they acted like they wanted to go all out and hit as hard as they possibly could.

its true that martial arts develop a false sense of security in women. if a woman is truly worried about SD, carrying effective weapons, being aware and alert, and buying a big guard dog are probably her best option.

[matbla]

can you belive this

[Garland]

can you belive this

no I can't. I think Dick and Ghost are being fucking stupid.

When training with women, train the same way you do with men.
Neither one of you has ever trained with a real female fighter? Maybe the chicks you train with got confused and thought they were in for Tae Bo, but I know women that like to fucking hurt people. I have $100 bucks that I can find a girl who could kick the shit out of you, Dick. In a real life situation...like a bar fight...I know maybe 10 girls that would have you curled up in fetal position while stomping the shit out of you. (girls with shaved heads, chelsea cuts, and tattoos who would chew you up and spit you out in between pints of Jack Daniels). In a ring fight, the number is less...but that's simply because women don't train (or at least not up to their potential) because douche's like you don't take them seriously.

[Garland]

I'm happily awaiting the day a butch bitch breaks a bottle or pool cue over your skull, Dick.

[DickHardman]

garland, you sound like more of a feminist than any of the bloated, smelly dikes ive had the misfortune of rolling with.

[DickHardman]

plus, i dont mind training with all women. grappling with petite hot chicks is way cool. ive rolled with a couple hotties, and i basically just laid there and let them crawl all over me and it was pretty cool. im not a bad guy.

[Ghost]

no I can't. I think Dick and Ghost are being fucking stupid.

When training with women, train the same way you do with men.
Neither one of you has ever trained with a real female fighter? Maybe the chicks you train with got confused and thought they were in for Tae Bo, but I know women that like to fucking hurt people. I have $100 bucks that I can find a girl who could kick the shit out of you, Dick. In a real life situation...like a bar fight...I know maybe 10 girls that would have you curled up in fetal position while stomping the shit out of you. (girls with shaved heads, chelsea cuts, and tattoos who would chew you up and spit you out in between pints of Jack Daniels). In a ring fight, the number is less...but that's simply because women don't train (or at least not up to their potential) because douche's like you don't take them seriously.

those types dont exactly embody the average female trainee, but yes i have, i train at the very highest level in thai boxing and live in thailand training and fighting.

i do take women training very seriously, i think they should and can train, there is a difference between women fighting in the ring and women fighting in the street, ring yes, street....perhaps.

[Garland]

I used to train with a few girls that were tough as nails. Ali Casey used to leave fucking welts and bruises on my ribs when we sparred just as bad as any of the men, including some a guy that used to fight at Lumpinee.

[Garland]

plus, i dont mind training with all women. grappling with petite hot chicks is way cool. ive rolled with a couple hotties, and i basically just laid there and let them crawl all over me and it was pretty cool. im not a bad guy.

Yes you are... "laid there and let them crawl"? Make them tap or snap their shit. Just like a guy. Jesus...Dick, are YOU wearing your testicles on the inside?

[Ghost]

I used to train with a few girls that were tough as nails. Ali Casey used to leave fucking welts and bruises on my ribs when we sparred just as bad as any of the men, including some a guy that used to fight at Lumpinee.

there are tough women out there, one girl i knew was a bouncer at a club in london and 12 stone, could handle herself ok, however this isnt the point, we are talking about the other 95%+ out there, they can learn to fight, but what me and dick are saying is the point at which you try to kill them, then what. although they may hurt you in sparring what would be the realistic situation if you were trying to literally kill them.

[DickHardman]

I used to train with a few girls that were tough as nails. Ali Casey used to leave fucking welts and bruises on my ribs when we sparred just as bad as any of the men, including some a guy that used to fight at Lumpinee.

thats only cause you are so weak and out of shape. me and ghost have better physiques than a 13 year old prepubescent boy lol..

[Garland]

. although they may hurt you in sparring what would be the realistic situation if you were trying to literally kill them.

Same with anyone. Everyone chokes out the same, everyone reacts the same with a knee to the face or a shot to the neck. They ALL drop.