Question on Judo Throw

[Bjjexpertise@be]

Can any judo experts out there explain to me the difference between Harai Goshi and Yama Arashi?

[Hardball]

Harai Goshi is a hip throw with a last minute clip right below the outside of the knee. I never heard of the Yama Arashi but I will look it up.

[Hardball]

http://www.judoinfo.com/images/animations/blue/yamaarashi.htm

More research. To me it looks just like Harai Goshi. If you google the name you can find the story behind the name Yama Arashi which means "Mountain Storm"

[Britt]

They are very similar throws, but Yama Arashi is listed as a hand throwing technique, Te-waza, while Harai Goshi is a hip throwing technique, Koshi-waza. If I remember correctly, Yama Arashi is sort of like Uchi Mata against the outer thigh instead of the inner one. I'll look it up when I get home.

[Bjjexpertise@be]

From what I saw online, the Yama Arashi is a combination of the stepping motions and hand motions of Seoi Nage with the sweeping motions of Harai Goshi.

[Bjjexpertise@be]

Anyone ever done this throw in sparring or randori by any chance and care to add some tips on it?

[Britt]

You've got it. Here's an excerpt from an article by Toshiro Daigo, 10th dan and Chief Instructor at the Kodokan, who ought to know if anyone does:

"According to the dynamics, the logic of Yamaarashi is based on the breaking of the opponent's balance within a short distance and attacking with full speed. It is the most dynamic and skillful of all other techniques. If we hold each other in right handed position (Saigo was left handed), Tori grabs Uke's right collar deeply with the right hand and grip Uke's right sleeve with the left hand to take an extremely right handed position. Tori moves his body up and down to pressure Uke backward. In response to Tori's controlling movement, Uke tries to push forward to regain his position. When Uke tries to come forward, Tori picks up Uke's body on his shoulder in full speed and sweeps Uke's right ankle like a Haraigoshi (a gust of wind). It can be considered a combination technique of Haraigoshi and Seoinage (the thumb of the hand grabbing the collar can be inside or outside of the collar)."

http://www.kodokan.org/e_waza/yamaarashi.html

[Britt]

Sorry, I meant "you've got it" as in it appears to be sort of a cross between Seoi Nage and Harai Goshi, not that I've used Yama Arashi successfully. Seoi Nage and Harai Goshi individually, maybe, but I've never put them together (at least not on purpose ).

[Bjjexpertise@be]

Wouldn't it seem kind of redundant to lift them up with seoi nage like setup and then sweep the leg when you throw them? Isn't the opponnet (uke so to speak) going to be thrown whether you sweep the leg or not?

You should try to pull the move off in practice, Britt and tell me how it goes .

[Britt]

I grabbed a copy of "Judo Unleashed" by Neil Ohlenkamp (neat little picture guide) on my way out this morning. It looks like Yama Arashi dffers a little bit from Seoi Nage in that instead of pulling uke over you, you simultaneously pulll and rotate him around you using the same grip. There's a close up of the grip; it's held just like Seoi Nage with the hands but tori has his right elbow across uke's neck or jawline (like a Muay Thai elbow that just landed) to assist with the rotation. I'm guessing that's where the leg sweep comes in, since you're sort over rolling them to the side instead of pulling them straight over like in Seoi Nage, you're preventing him from advancing with his right leg or just stepping around you.

You actually do have me kind of curious to try it now. I don't do Seoi Nage too much since I have better luck with O Goshi, but Yama Arashi looks like I might be able to pull it off. Maybe tonight I'll see if someone will fall for "hey, come here, I want to try something."

[Bjjexpertise@be]

Ah thanks for the clarification! From what I hear online, Yama Arashi is a very good move to power throw somebody into the ground, feel bad for the guy that lets you try it on him . Tell me how it goes, I plan on trying it next time I get a chance to train.