Rear Naked Choke!

[Bjjexpertise@be]

It's been a long time since we've really discussed technique in this forum so I thought I'd try to bring it back. Question is, how do YOU finish the rear naked choke? I've actually seen numerous ways to finish it, some like to simply roll their shoulders back after securing the choke while others like to pull their right elbow back after securing the choke and have their forearm choke the guy out.

Me, personally, I like the good old way of pushing the head forward while squeezing my elbows together, preferably with one of my legs trapping their arms. I've always done it this way and it seems to be half blood choke half air choke so I guess I still got to work out the kinks.

So how do YOU prefer to finish the choke?

[DickHardman]

i dont even bother with the rear naked choke if im able to feed a collar to my hand, i just use the bow n arrow choke.

[Bjjexpertise@be]

Because that's related to what he asked...

Call me old-fashioned, but if I'm using a rear-naked choke, I just roll the shoulders back, push my chest out, and squeeze/scissor my elbows together and take a nice deep breath in as I put the pressure on.

Very old-school/basic choke ! What do you do if they start defending befor eyou can sink it in? Do you trap their arm? Or just crossface?

[Britt]

How do I do a rear naked choke? Well, first I strip naked....

[Clooneytkd]

what do you guys usually resort to if you have one arm in but they other cant be put in the choke because the other guys defense is to good? also would an arm triangle be a good transition for a second resort?
i find myself always so damn close but they turtle up and some of the time i can get it, but if there being turds it becomes a burden because i just sit there. should i go with a transition or keep working on the rear naked? i know that when i wrestled i cross faced alot, sometimes it works when i wrench they guys head to the side, but im looking for new fast techniques that i guy won't see coming.

[Britt]

Me, I'll nearly never quit working for the rear naked choke once I've got the back and an arm in close if I can help it. I've seen more experienced guys transition more quickly, but I'll pancake them out, crossface, try to roll onto my back, everything. If they turtle up and it's clear that I'm not going to get it, I'll transition to an armbar. Not transitioning sooner might be a bad habit on my part.

[Tant01]

A choke is (obviously) a finishing technique, eh? I can't honestly say that I can make it work EVERY time but without exception, EVERY TIME it worked... It worked because it was the right time to use it. A rear naked can be defended so the trick is slapping it in there without hesitation (when he's NOT ready for it). You can sometimes "squirm" your hand in under the chin but unless you pull his face up by his orbital lobes it can be difficult to define the hold let alone lock it up...Especially if his hands are free and still functional...

[Bjjexpertise@be]

Honestly, I've gotten pretty good at sneaking it in there. However, I am also a pretty good sized guy. I've found that if I just slap it on across the guy's lips and face and squeeze his molars with bad intention, I'll get him squirming. I'm also a big fan of transitioning to arm bars and - of course - HITTING. Stuffing a thumb in a guy's eyeball or even driving it as hard as you can into his ear hole can get you some useful energy. If they start defending early, I'll generally go to a new tool - different choke, arm, hitting, or whatever.

Stuffing a thumb in the eye or ear hole sounds rather harsh for just training doesn't it? I'm with you on that one though, if they start defending early I just start searching for differnt things.

[Bjjexpertise@be]

what do you guys usually resort to if you have one arm in but they other cant be put in the choke because the other guys defense is to good? also would an arm triangle be a good transition for a second resort?
i find myself always so damn close but they turtle up and some of the time i can get it, but if there being turds it becomes a burden because i just sit there. should i go with a transition or keep working on the rear naked? i know that when i wrestled i cross faced alot, sometimes it works when i wrench they guys head to the side, but im looking for new fast techniques that i guy won't see coming.

Depending on what the position of your back mount is, you could transition to an arm triangle. If they're on all fours and you're on his back with your hooks in, the next choke you can do would be the arm inside guillotine.

Arm Inside Guillotine From Back
Have your left arm be on the right side of his neck. Undo your right hook and go ahead and slide down so you're pretty much in half guard still with control with his head. Lock your legs up and lock your hands now with your left forearm against his neck and the side of your body pushiing his left arm against his neck. Cinch every thing in tight and you've got your choke.

As for the arm triangle,

Arm Triangle From Back Mount
If he's turtled up, and you're on his back without your hooks in, go ahead and get a gable grip around a head and arm like you would if you wanted to control his body with your hooks in. Keep your grip and body tight and roll hard over your shoulder. While you roll try to shoot your arm deeper around his neck without compromising any tightness. Keep rolling until he ends up on his back and you have your arms set for the armtriangle and just finish it like you normally would from there. The key to this move is momentum and tightness.

Normally if you're on his back, he's going to immediately start defending the choke because that's what 99% of the people go for when they have someone's back, so just go ahead and mix things up and whey start defending and I'm sure you'll get the rear naked choke more often. Keep us posted on your progress!

[Bjjexpertise@be]

A choke is (obviously) a finishing technique, eh? I can't honestly say that I can make it work EVERY time but without exception, EVERY TIME it worked... It worked because it was the right time to use it. A rear naked can be defended so the trick is slapping it in there without hesitation (when he's NOT ready for it). You can sometimes "squirm" your hand in under the chin but unless you pull his face up by his orbital lobes it can be difficult to define the hold let alone lock it up...Especially if his hands are free and still functional...

Yeah the trick I've found with the rear naked choke is that you almost have to punch your arm under his chin to get that choke sunken in.

[Bjjexpertise@be]

My bad. Didn't realize we were talking about training. I thought this was about using the choke to finish a fight. However, if you talk to most of my students and training partners, I'm sure they'd tell you that it's just par for the course. The only difference is that we're not quite as mean in training as in real life.

Consider yourself lucky. I could easily have said: Draw your knife and stick it in his neck!

Ah ok, when it comes to fights we all gotta do what's necessary to end the fight right then and there. Lol sounds like you train your students pretty hard! I remember your one story about how you got out of a rear naked choke by stabbing some guy in the balls with a pen .

[Clooneytkd]

thanks for the advice fellas!

[DJColdfusion]

Very old-school/basic choke ! What do you do if they start defending befor eyou can sink it in? Do you trap their arm? Or just crossface?

Defend how? There are counter after counter for every counter your opponent attempts to counter after you counter his counter's counter.

Seriously, it alldepends on what he gives you.

[DJColdfusion]

what do you guys usually resort to if you have one arm in but they other cant be put in the choke because the other guys defense is to good? also would an arm triangle be a good transition for a second resort?
i find myself always so damn close but they turtle up and some of the time i can get it, but if there being turds it becomes a burden because i just sit there. should i go with a transition or keep working on the rear naked? i know that when i wrestled i cross faced alot, sometimes it works when i wrench they guys head to the side, but im looking for new fast techniques that i guy won't see coming.

It all depends, seriously.

If you've got the first arm in then it will be extremely hard for him to defend the second. I'm guessing that the way you put it on involves reaching that second hand in front of his shoulders and he's able to grab that second arm and prevent you from finishing the choke. Please don't get offended but if that's how you are proceeding then you are doing it incorrectly.

You should reach deep enough with the first arm so that you grab over the back of your opponent's shoulder (IE: Your left arm enters first and goes under your opponent's chin then grips over the top/back of his right shoulder/traps) and then bring the second hand up behind/to the side of the shoulder you are gripping. He should never have a chance to defend the second hand.

And if he's blocking that first hand you can transition into a few other chokes, arm attacks, I've seen a couple of leg attacks from there, or stay with the RNC and just switch arms (He defends the left arm so pull it out and insert the right arm for the choke, repeat as necessary).

Or just grab the back of your head with your hand, from the first arm in, and finish it with the single arm (oh yes you can).

[kiwideo]

Gen Lebell is a pro choking people out...lol