Appreciating Frank Shamrock

[Hawk]

Goes 215? How many Goes are we talking about? Coleman 225? Which leg? For you to compare Coleman- Goes with the David-Goliath UFC is an insult to people's intelligence. Oh, & you might not have heard, but the second time Smokin' Joe fought Foreman he was knocked out in the fourth round. Frazier's main asset is he could take a good shot and keep coming until he nailed someone with his left hook. The problem with Foreman was if he hit you then you were going out no matter how good a shot you took. It was matter of Frazier's style was made for Foreman. As usual Americana, you don't give the whole story and hope no one remembers the rest of it.
Hawk

[socal]

Hawk your bringing back memories, somewhere in the back of my brain I am hearing in an obnoxious voice....

"Down goes Frazier, Down goes Frazier......."

Name that commentator

a) Eddie Goldman
b) Dick Enberg
c) Dick Vitale
d) Jim Lamply
e) George Forman
f) Dick Butkus
g) Chick Hearn
h) Harry Carey
i) Howard Cossell

Signed....aging socal

LOL

[TKOU]

I'll guess:

Chick Hearn.

"Joe throws this left-hook and it goes right by my face and it sounded like a pistol, no, no, like a rifle bullet crack. I knew right then that if I didn't finish the fight soon that I not only could lose the fight but I could be seriously hurt or injured" George Foreman during the interview in Champions Forever!

[Americana]

Once again Hawk fails to see the forrest for the trees. Considering his trite assurances that Renzo would submit Henderson, no one could confuse Hawk for a visionary in mma. In any "analysis" by Hawk of nhb, the sound of his bjj pom-poms is rather deafening. Didn't you also have Royce submitting Sak?

[Ronin]

Originally posted by Americana
Didn't you also have Royce submitting Sak?

But he did!

Didn't he?

[Hawk]

That's what I like about you Americana, you move right along dodging the issue that you're big deal about Foreman-Frazier was flawed as is the rest of your BS. As to Royce-Sak, what I said is what the tape shows-Sak tapped twice, a pause, then tapped twice again. Anyone can watch a tape of the WHOLE fight and make up their own mind. If getting knocked out quickly in your mind means getting humiliated then as I said before you either have never fought professionally or your bias against GJJ/BJJ is so overpowering that you'll jump at the chance to bad mouth it. However, because your logic is so flawed and you usually, as in this case, try to make a point by not telling the full story, most probably you won't be taken seriously by those that know about the incidents of which you which you speak.
Hawk

[Mr. Miyagi]

Love is blind; Hawk will always make excuses for why bjj lost, when in fact it is so much superior.

[Hookah Smokin Caterpillar]

Yeah Mr. Miyagi, he is definatly making excuses. Everything Hawk's written so far has been excuses for why Renzo lost and not pointing out Americana's flawed attempts to prove a point. Jeez Hawk, everytime I read one of your posts all you seem to say is "BJJ is the perfect MA, no Gracie would ever lose if those wrestlers stopped cheating."

*Sarcasm mode off*

[bobby_steeles]

it is superior. how else can you beat someone without even throwing a punch? you can't do it with wreslting.
that's superiority.

[Americana]

The more Hawk writes, the better my point is made. I seem to remember reading that Hawk is some how involved with Texas' abysmal, internationally condemed criminal justice system. I guess it shows. Basically, if you're dirt poor and especially if you're a member of a racial minority, Texas will provide you with ineffective assistance of counsel (your attorney could be drunk or falling asleep at your trial) and then execute you. It's documented and a fact. Texas is quite proud of it though. In terms of executions, Texas is on a par with Iran and China.

Hawk has also failed to offer any reasoned analysis of weight as a factor in the Goes or Renzo fights.

[Hookah Smokin Caterpillar]

Americana, you're so funny. I can't believe you think you're right

[Hawk]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Americana,
You can run but you can't hide!! What's there to analyze about Renzo or Goes's fights or Sak's fight for that matter? They got nailed and they lost, end of story. Its happen to a number of great fighters including Joe Lewis, Lennox Lewis, Jack Dempsey, etc. etc. To say they were humiliated is proof of you never being there or doing that. There's nothing wrong with that, however it makes one wonder. So I take it you think you've proved my point is wrong by bringing up the Texas Justice System? That in itself shows how flawed your logic is. When your hand is called on a point you jump to another and then totally try to change the subject to something else. For someone that makes so much fun of the "butt scoot" when called on a point that's all you do. Ameri"verbal butt scooter"cana.
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!! To compare Texas to Iran or China as far as executions, especially since you have not a clue about the legal systems in any of the above and just go by whatever liberal rag you read, shows not only that your logic is flawed, but you tend toward exaggeration.
Hawk

[clockchoke]

Hawk
Do you know this jackass?
If he'd like, I'll let him demonstrate on me, just how ineffective BJJ/GJJ is. Then I'm sure we can provide him with a first hand look at the Texas Justice system w/ all the accommodations.

[socal]

Hawk this reminds me of one of those old law school sayings a friend of mine told me about

"If you have the Law on your side, pound the Law--

If you have the facts on your side, pound the facts---

If you don't have the law or the facts, pound the table"

Socal

[Hawk]

Hey John,
Americana started off long ago shooting at Rickson every chance he got, calling him Chickson etc.,etc., however he never had the guts to do it to his face. In a war of words, Americana has always been unarmed. He'd wet his pants if he saw you looking at him across the mat.
Socal,
You got it. That saying is pretty close to true. The first time I heard it I was at a seminar. Somebody asked the guy that said it what he did if there wasn't a table. He said he jumped up and down and shook his a**. Then he said," What else can you do?" Ain't it the truth.
Hawk