Usefulness of the guard in self-defense

[Guest]

Dude... quit asking what your "attacker" can do to you and start thinking about what you can do to your attacker.

You're stuck with a victim mindset. Lose that first and the rest is easy.

ATTACK...

now then, someone is whistling my kinda tune...

[Heroic Wolf]

Alright, I was just grappling without a cup/groin protector and it kind of hurt when I closed my guard on some1. Has this hapened to any1 else?

[Bjjexpertise@be]

Alright, I was just grappling without a cup/groin protector and it kind of hurt when I closed my guard on some1. Has this hapened to any1 else?

Don't pop a woody while you're doing it and you'll be fine.

[bodhisattva]

BJJ - If you DON'T want to be stuck on your back - learn to fight in the Guard

MMA guys tend to lay flat on their back with their legs in the air because they know the other guy isn't allowed to kick them in the groin. That's just stupid to do on the street.

YouTube - Stand Up in Base BJJ

Guys - if you want to fight, and not GET STUCK ON YOUR BACK, then you want to LEARN TO FIGHT IN THE GUARD.

Because if you aren't good at fighting in the guard, and you get stuck on your back - you are going to stay there.

If you are good at fighting in the guard, and you end up on your back, not only will you fight your way back to your feet - but you will likely submit or knock out your opponent in the process / right afterward.

Of course BJJ guys don't lay on their backs with their legs in the air "on the street." The only person who thinks that is a person who has little to no experience with BJJ.

[Heroic Wolf]

Thanks for the advice bodhisattva and bjjexpertise. However, don't you guys think spider guard and butterfly guard are better alternatives to standard guard when one is not wearing a cup? Cuz I seriously feel pain/pressure on my groin when I catch someone in my guard without my cup on and they lean forward on me.

[Tim McFatridge]

If this has already been covered then I apologize... I did not read through all three pages of post on this topic before responding. The one thing that I see is being over looked here is that if you have someone in your guard then you are not going to be doing any "soccer kicks" or "bicycle kicks" because they ARE in your guard which means both of your legs are wrapped around them.

If you have someone in your guard then you also do not have to worry about them doing any kind of Axe Kicks or Stomp Kicks to your groin because they ARE in your guard.

The guard is a great position to learn, to know and to work on. I agree with Mike Brewer, I would rather know the guard and know how to use it than to not know how to fight from it or in it.

When on the street if you have someone in your guard the first thing you need to be concerned with is whether or not that person has a knife. You will not be able to see it if they do which means you have to really focus on controlling his arms... both of them. So when you hit the ground as soon as he is in your guard then you better do everything you can to break an arm, choke him out or end the fight the best way and the fastest way you can. If you can't then you need to sweep him, roll him or shrimp out from him and get back to your feet.

When in the ring the guard is a great position if you know how to use it. If you know how to fight from the guard then it does not matter whether you are in someone's guard or if you have someone in your guard. There are just as many submissions and counters from both positions. My nature is to try and end the fight as soon as possible regardless of where you are at.

Just my opinion guys...

[Heroic Wolf]

I think the soccer kicks/stomps/axe kicks to the groin vs a guard were considering if the guard was being used against a standing opponent. Also, once you catch someone in your guard, isn't taking hammerfists to the groin a possibility? In UFC, the guys who get caught in the guard can strike their opponent in the torso/abs with hammerfists, if rules weren't in place, wouldn't groin strikes occur as well? Also, doesn't anybody else feel that having somebody lean forward on u while in the guard hurts ur groin if ur not wearing a cup?

[Tim McFatridge]

When you say using the guard against a standing opponent... do you mean you have someone in your guard and they stand up?

As far as taking strikes to the groin... remember you CAN hit them to. I hope you are not going to just lay there and try and hold guard on someone while they are hitting you in the nuts. You have to be able to use your legs to pull the guy in or to push him out. If he is trying to sit up/sit back so he can strike then use your legs to pull him back into you and wrap him up. If he is trying to lean on you or stack you then use your legs to push him out and go to any number of techniqes to end the fight.

First thing you have to understand is that you WILL get hit and take some shots in any fight. In most cases you will have to take several strikes in order to end the fight.

[jubaji]

Are we sure this isn't DH trolling?

[Heroic Wolf]

As for guard vs a standing up opponent, I mean if you get knocked down and raise your legs up in a guard position to protect from his followup attacks. As for guard vs an opponent you have caught in the guard, I guess I haven't really noticed the dynamic nature of the guard, I always thought of it as a passive defense move in the past

jubaji, what exactly is trolling? Is it where you post in order to get more posts in your statistics? If that's it, I'm really not trying to do that

[Tim McFatridge]

Ok, now I understand what you are talking about. You can not say guard vs. standing opponent because if he is not IN your guard then it is not guard against standing. It is simply a standing opponent against a grounded opponent.

I think you would be well served to research the guard and find out how effective it can be for yourself. No matter what myself or nyone else on here says it will not be able to take the place of first hand experience.

[Tant01]

Dojime (closed guard) or "trunk squeezing" is one of 8 asphyxiation methods of Kodokan Judo. It is not without it's uses...

[Tant01]

Do-Jime is one of the twelve constriction techniques of Kodokan Judo in the Shime-waza list. See also compressive asphyxia. Do-Jime is one of the four forbidden techniques, Kinshi-waza.[1]

Wikipedia...

[Tant01]

What's a Guard?

Are we sure this isn't ... trolling?

Not sure at all.

He's either trolling or he has no idea what this so called "guard" IS. OR he's on his back with his legs spread apart to a standing opponent?

He's lying there wide open and waiting for a kick in the nuts....

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