Which martial art for me?

[M7M]

[QUOTE=jubaji;304089]

You seem very proud of your high-falutin' edumacation there boy, but you might need to brush up on your own reading skills.

w/e old timer

[M7M]

If Wikipedia can figure it out so can YOU!

It is often claimed that BJJ is a development of traditional Japanese jujutsu, and that Maeda was a jujutsuka. However, Maeda never trained in jujutsu. He first trained in sumo as a teenager, and after the interest generated by stories about the success of judo at contests between judo and jujutsu that were occurring at the time, he changed from sumo to judo, becoming a student of Kano's Kodokan judo.^[2] He was promoted to 7th dan in Kodokan judo the day before he died in 1941.
Hélio Gracie himself had already risen to the rank of 6th dan in judo by the time of his fight against Kimura in 1951.<sup>[7]

Yeah... Judo!!!</sup>

i'd rather go by that interview and what Helio Gracie said himself vs. what's on Wikipedia. Wiki is unreliable.

[Marksmarkou]

If I was you I would look at Japanese Ju Jutsu. Its more specific for street self defence where BJJ and Judo are mainly geared towards competition. It teaches strikes, grappling, throws, locks (standing and ground) and defending all of these.

[jubaji]

Dude, he's probably like the national Thumb Wrestling Champion! You DO NOT want to mess with 'da finga!'

[Bjjexpertise@be]

just curious, what's your name and what's your tournament record so i can check it out.

If you're gonna be running around asking people for their tournament record then be prepared to present your own and have proof of it.

you must be tough as hell from the way that you talk

Actually, he is, so it might be a good idea to drop the attitude.

If you have a point to make then articulate it with composure and a tolerance for the views of others, because right now you are just coming across as an immature, macho prick.

If you want to stick around and maybe learn something from some very experienced people (namely those you are bitching at) then reign in the bravado and maybe listen to what people are saying. Alternatively, if you want to alienate yourself from the members and ultimately the forum, then just keep it up.

Your loss, I frankly couldn't give two shits.

[Tom Yum]

You seem very proud of your high-falutin' edumacation there boy, but you might need to brush up on your own reading skills.

LOL @ jubaji!!!

Personally, I think education is a good thing but certainly not the only thing.

It seems like anyone, anywhere can get an MBA from any institution. Sure the training and thought process is usefull but the degree itself has evolved from a specialty to a diffrentiated commodity...


...oh nevermind

[jubaji]

[QUOTE=M7M;304082]

Don't bet on your mighty thumb lock leading to, from, into, or out of anything out in the real world, Sonny-boy. v

Once again oldman, your reading comprehension skills failed you. What part about the thumblock being one of many techniques of JJ do you not understand?



It's still not too late to get that G.E.D. oldtimer.

You seem very proud of your high-falutin' edumacation there boy, but you might need to brush up on your own reading skills.

[Tant01]

If Wikipedia can figure it out so can YOU!

It is often claimed that BJJ is a development of traditional Japanese jujutsu, and that Maeda was a jujutsuka. However, Maeda never trained in jujutsu. He first trained in sumo as a teenager, and after the interest generated by stories about the success of judo at contests between judo and jujutsu that were occurring at the time, he changed from sumo to judo, becoming a student of Kano's Kodokan judo.^[2] He was promoted to 7th dan in Kodokan judo the day before he died in 1941.
Hélio Gracie himself had already risen to the rank of 6th dan in judo by the time of his fight against Kimura in 1951.<sup>[7]

Yeah... Judo!!!</sup>

[M7M]

Because of the high probability of serious long term injury to the digits. Just because you can cripple someone for life, doesn't mean that it will end a fight. So they can't write there name anymore, they can still beat you do to death.

what part of the thumb lock being the precursor to other techniques that immediately follows do you not understand?

[/QUOTE] It does not escape me, I simply reject your premise that your going to get the thumb lock to begin with, and even if you do, it's not going to keep them from beating you long before you get to the wrist lock, or elbow. [/QUOTE]

see, here's your problem. you don't know what this thumb lock, transitioning into a wrist lock then elbow lock is. it's all done in one motion and w/i about 1 second. the Gracies teaches this, you just don't know about it.

You are talking low probability technique.

why is it low probability when someone just grabbed you by the jacket? it's probably low probability to you b/c you don't know anything about it.

On someone with a serious intent it's just not something you can rely on.

wait what? you have a crystal ball? you know people's exact intent?

If your precursor technique is improbable then the chain that comes after it is even more improbable. So unless you have tried this under full resistance and been able to pull it off several times you are talking theory not reality.

it's full resistance during sparring all the time. and the opponent knows the technique and that it's coming so that makes it even more difficult than a real situation vs. real badasses such as yourself who are impervious to pain.

that was just to show you the difference in mind set. in my world the knife isn't a surprise, it is the natural reaction to having a ground fighter take me to the ground.

that must suck. hope you get out of prison soon.

I have seen many people escape a RNC that was sunk in, there are plenty of videos around of people doing it.

wow. let's try it again. imagine that we're in the real world and not your Jean-Claude Van Dame meets the Incredible Hulk world where the threshold of pain is multiplied by a million.....is it possible for you to realize that it is possible for a RNC to be sunken in and making someone (not you of course, RNC never works on you) pass out?

if you seen plenty of videos of people getting out...then you didn't see a completed RNC. you saw an attempt at a completed RNC.

you must be tough as hell from the way that you talk. you're probably tougher than Tank Abbott who tapped out like a baby from a little ankle lock or Randy Coutoure who quit b/c he got grazed on the eyelid and lost his belt. just curious, what's your name and what's your tournament record so i can check it out.

[Tant01]

Jujutsu is dead...

Well I did CLEARLY say in my post that he was a judoka who taught the Gracies Jiu-Jitsu (and not Judo).

The Gracies even said that Judo didn't come to Brazil until the 1950s.

PHUI...

I'm not wasting any more time on you.

It's not jujutsu... It's JUDO!

Notice the GI? The COLORED BELTS? Say it with me... Ju-DOH!

Welcome to my ignore list...

[M7M]

That article clearly says "Kosei Maeda known by the name of Konde Koma was a judo-ka who got out of Japan to spread Kodokan Judo to the world..."

...

Imagine THAT? There was no JUJUTSU going into the world...It's ALL JUDO.

No matter what GM HELIO declares it to be... No weapons? No JUJUTSU...

It really is that simple...

Well I did CLEARLY say in my post that he was a judoka who taught the Gracies Jiu-Jitsu (and not Judo).

The Gracies even said that Judo didn't come to Brazil until the 1950s.

[M7M]

[QUOTE=jubaji;304050]Don't bet on your mighty thumb lock leading to, from, into, or out of anything out in the real world, Sonny-boy. v

Once again oldman, your reading comprehension skills failed you. What part about the thumblock being one of many techniques of JJ do you not understand?

Say, you've got a college degree? That's pretty nifty alright! Yu must be one smert little whipper-snapper.

Although, you do seem to have some class issues you might want to do something about.

It's still not too late to get that G.E.D. oldtimer.

[jubaji]

Fingers aren't difficult to break, but that doesn't mean breaking one will change an outcome, as your fine example shows us.


Give it some time and it should be fine.

[treelizard]

Some jackass used joint manipulation on me at the old gym I used to go to and he still didn't get me to tap out. I don't remember exactly what happened just that it was some really explosive newb who weighed a lot more than me but had no technique and I was obviously pissing him off because he couldn't get position on me. He was giving me way too much space and attempting submissions he really didn't know. Anyway I don't remember all the details except that I managed to scramble out of it. And then I quit that gym.

My finger is still kind of messed up though and it's been about three months. I got an x-ray at some point after it'd been messed up for a couple months b/c I thought maybe he'd fractured it but the x-ray came out negative. They told me to get an MRI but I'd feel like a total pussy if I got an MRI on my finger. So I just tape it up...but I can't really train stand-up right now because every time I punch a bag with that hand it hurts like hell. I'm hoping it'll heal up in a month or two; that it's some soft-tissue thing.