Jet lee and mma?

[TigerClaw]

...I can say for sure that I would not want to step in the ring or octagon with any pro fighter any longer than I would have to

First of all, I do not get into such scrapping fights in octagons. Also a fight in an octagone with rules and with gloves is much different than a fight outside of a closed in ring and with no gloves and no rules.

Also, I don't go around saying I am better than anyone and I can overcome any MMA fighter, talking like that is wrong. If I point out weaknesses of a MMA fighter I am only showing it from a kung Fu perspective and that is only an observation not a claim of winning a fight.

But having said that I have no fear from watching many of their fighting methods. Like I said before I would be more concerned about fighting my instructors of the past.

[TigerClaw]

Point that mirror at yourself, boy.

You are the one claiming that your fight skills are superior to MMA fighters, that you see all kinds of openings for attack that somehow other MMA fighters are missing. You said it, and I didn't. You said that you know how to "read" your opponent and you make it clear you think you can do this better then others. So, tell me again about your lack of ego?

I am not claiming that my personal skills are better than all MMA fighters. I was making the claim that i believe within the Kung Fu world and the many masters that exist there are many techniques that can overcome grappling situations and even stand up situations. I personally believe that Kung Fu has much more to offer in combative areas and technique than anything I have seen in MMA fights. But that is not pride, it is merely an observation and opinion.

I do have some skill in reading the telegraphing of my opponent and I never said I can do it better tan others, you just twist things and make them up to fit your weak argument or to try and build a straw man argument and tear to down. but that man is not me.

You totally miss the mark here. It I not pride or ego to point out techniques that are available and weaknesses in other fighting strategies.

Pride would be something like this, if I said, "I am the greatest Kung Fu fighter in the world and I can easily overcome any MMA fighter there is". That would be pride and ego. If you want a clearer definition of how pride speaks, just read some of Ben Grimms post or Jubaji or some others.

[TigerClaw]

Good to see some respect for professional athletes.

I have respect for those who train in any martial art, respect in the sense of their hard training, conditioning, years of study etc. But I don't have to admire or respect their style of fighting or their rude mouths, arrogant talk and scrapping mindset. Or the fact that sme MMA fighters mock Kung Fu. Respect is more than just the training to me.

I do not go around saying that all kung fu fighters can overcome MMA fighters. Many have tried to push me into this corner but I merely point out my opinions about the art and things that I see that create a false understanding to those who watch it. I only discuss the difference of MMA sport fighting to a combative survival fighting like Kung Fu and other styles. Some read into things what they want, but not always what I say.

I have said in another place that I felt one of my old instructors could handle himself against even two MMA fighters. but that was not my own boasting I was speaking of his technique and ability, from what i have see. I was comparing his fighting style and technique to many MMA fighters style and technique. That may have caused an uproar. But again i was not trying to show any disrespect for others.

[TigerClaw]

Well said. Nice to read a bit of humility as opposed to an endless "We're killers and we know it all, and don't feel the need to prove it" attitude that I read on here so much.

By the way I am sure there are many martial artist that could overcome me in combat.

If, I assume that you are commenting on what I have said in the past. I never said "We're killers and we know it all", I do not say that all Kung Fu fighters are killers, and I am no killer. I will never try to prove it because that would go against all I stand for and the moral integrity needed for martial artist in my understanding. I try to teach a strong moral code and strict control of our abilities in the world. To me the humility and character development is far more important than the technical defense.

This quote you gave or your re-interpretation of things said, is what's called a "straw man argument," and it tries to make a weak, false argument against another person, by saying things they did not say and then tearing it down as if you tear them down. But this is nothing more than lying and of the worst moral character.

For a person to say, "..and don't feel we need to prove it". Show that they are irritated that the Kung Fu men do not try and prove it. This shows a wrong mindset in the ones who are angry at those who don't prove their killing ability. That is not a proper attitude for any martial artist.

Again, I assume you are trying to attack me, if that assumption is wrong and if you do not intend to direct this towards me then disregard what I said in relation to you. But, if that is the case, and you are not talking about me, then you could easily say the opposite about me and clarify how you understand what I have been saying and say some positive things about my post .

[jubaji]

By the way I am sure there are many martial artist that could overcome me in combat.

There are 'many' 90 year old, one-legged, asthmatic midgets who could 'overcome' you, you hopeless clown.

[Tom Yum]

First of all, I do not get into such scrapping fights in octagons. Also a fight in an octagone with rules and with gloves is much different than a fight outside of a closed in ring and with no gloves and no rules..

But having said that I have no fear from watching many of their fighting methods. Like I said before I would be more concerned about fighting my instructors of the past.

That's because you've never had to train with or face anyone who has fought in MMA type matches, much less someone whose got talent. Guys who trained at commercially available gong fu skills got stomped by kickboxers and grapplers in the early UFCs - early standouts like Gerard Gordeau, Pat Smith, Orlando Wiet, Ken Shamrock and Royce Gracie dominated. All of them sport fighters.

I do think there are capable and deadly gong fu fighters - say those whom live at the Shaolin Temples, train the Taiwan or Shanghai SWAT teams or whom have actually used their skills on the battlefield - but seeing as that you are remaining anonymous and make no mention of your lineage and where you train, your pretty much a troll.

[JadeDragon]

Is this thread still going. I thought we had established the fact that Jet Li was an actor and wu shu player, not a fighter. Can we close this thread?????.....lol.

[TigerClaw]

That's because you've never had to train with or face anyone who has fought in MMA type matches, much less someone whose got talent. Guys who trained at commercially available gong fu skills got stomped by kickboxers and grapplers in the early UFCs - early standouts like Gerard Gordeau, Pat Smith, Orlando Wiet, Ken Shamrock and Royce Gracie dominated. All of them sport fighters.

Most likely not real kung fu fighters. If you say they were, first of all did they take stances and distinct guards. Or did they just jump around like kick boxers? I doubt any have ever taken low stances or fought in form in such fights or even did real kung fu. And I don't know what you mean by Commercially available?

I do think there are capable and deadly gong fu fighters - say those whom live at the Shaolin Temples, train the Taiwan or Shanghai SWAT teams or whom have actually used their skills on the battlefield - but seeing as that you are remaining anonymous and make no mention of your lineage and where you train, your pretty much a troll.

That is a pretty big claim and you have just bashed every kung fu master on the planet practically. I believe that there are many Masters who would be very capable of overcoming attackers who fight in the style amdmanner that we se in many MMA fights. But i am not talking about being caged in and with gloves and rules.

Also, I have given my lineage, from Hung gar and Choy Li Fut. I will not say names in here anymore and my Choy Li Fut master has a strong lineage. His father is fourth generation and he was taught by Doc Fai Wongs master, as far as I am told by my instructor.

The Hung Gar forms I teach are in the Lam Sai Wing line.

[Tant01]

Free for all...

Is this thread still going. I thought we had established the fact that Jet Li was an actor and wu shu player, not a fighter. Can we close this thread?????.....lol.

"We"? What is this, a democracy? LOL

Nahh! I sorta liked where it was going...

Who here WOULD WANT to fight a PRO MMA athlete? Got a particular fighter in mind?

Lets say you'll get paid, win or lose? How much do want?

Think you could take him?

I'd like to try the game with the "California Kid" Urijah Faber. I think he's an outstanding athlete and exceptionally skilled. He fairly dominates his weight class and I think he's a title holder (or former champ).

I doubt if I could last more than a few minutes or one round but I'd like to try to get him in leg lock if he didn't knock me out first!

Failing that I might try a spine lock or strangulation technique... If I didn't knock him out first...

Seriously BIG FUN... I really miss the Randori... I wouldn't mind tapping out to a guy like that!

Wonder if I could convince him to wear a Gi? LOL

[Tant01]

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I believe that there are many Masters who would be very capable of overcoming attackers who fight in the style and manner that we see in many MMA fights. But i am not talking about being caged in and with gloves and rules.
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[Bjjexpertise@be]

"We"? What is this, a democracy? LOL

Nahh! I sorta liked where it was going...

Who here WOULD WANT to fight a PRO MMA athlete? Got a particular fighter in mind?

Lets say you'll get paid, win or lose? How much do want?

Think you could take him?

I'd like to try the game with the "California Kid" Urijah Faber. I think he's an outstanding athlete and exceptionally skilled. He fairly dominates his weight class and I think he's a title holder (or former champ).

I doubt if I could last more than a few minutes or one round but I'd like to try to get him in leg lock if he didn't knock me out first!

Failing that I might try a spine lock or strangulation technique... If I didn't knock him out first...

Seriously BIG FUN... I really miss the Randori... I wouldn't mind tapping out to a guy like that!

Wonder if I could convince him to wear a Gi? LOL

As long as they pay me enough to cover the medical bills I'd do it. It would be such a great experience to be able to train/fight an MMA fighter. But then again I'm a little bit nutty in the head lol, I guess you kinda have to be to train in this sport .

[Tom Yum]

That is a pretty big claim and you have just bashed every kung fu master on the planet practically. I believe that there are many Masters who would be very capable of overcoming attackers who fight in the style amdmanner that we se in many MMA fights. But i am not talking about being caged in and with gloves and rules.

Also, I have given my lineage, from Hung gar and Choy Li Fut. I will not say names in here anymore and my Choy Li Fut master has a strong lineage. His father is fourth generation and he was taught by Doc Fai Wongs master, as far as I am told by my instructor.

The Hung Gar forms I teach are in the Lam Sai Wing line.

I do not think negatively of gong fu instructors, but not every gong fu school is designed to teach combat. Most of them are their to teach alot of things - health, fitness, forms and self-defense. The goal is to make a more well rounded individual, not no nonsense self-defense.

There are other schools that I did not mention that produce some incredibly talented san da fighters as well, but that's along the same lines of muaythai or BJJ.

[TigerClaw]

I do not think negatively of gong fu instructors, but not every gong fu school is designed to teach combat. Most of them are their to teach alot of things - health, fitness, forms and self-defense. The goal is to make a more well rounded individual, not no nonsense self-defense.
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Nothing could be further from the truth as I see it, real kung fu schools teach no nonsense self defense, survival combat techniques and many of the traditional Kung Fu styles were for combat war survival and the techniques are for life and death. Like I said before I believe Kung Fu has some of the most comprehensive and advanced fighting systems in the world and the most powerful for combat, in my opinion. Nothing even compares to it.


By the way what do you mean when you say "No nonsense...' are you talking about the many forms that look flowery and exotic etc?

[Tom Yum]

From what I can tell, the Lacy school of Choylayfut seems like a pretty good commercial gongfu school, but that's looking from the outside.

They teach the traditional forms, weapons, applications and do san da.

[twtguy]

heres the real question: jet li Vs jackie chan? hmmmmmm?

for real though, this is a stupid thread. lets just ask how bruce would do in the octagon...