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  • Just rewatched Royce verses Sak on DVD

    I have watched this fight 4 times now, the first 3 times on grainy VHS. Last night I borrowed the Grand Prix DVD set from a friend. Here are my thoughts:

    1) Royce looked TOTALLY inneffective throughout the fight. His takedowns were weak and his strikes weak. It was funny to hear Rutten and Smith joke about Royce's punches, Rutten said Royce would be better off saving his energy.

    2) I was struck at Royce's lack of gameplan. He figured out early that he couldn't take Sak down, yet did he change his tactics? NO. Instead he kept wasting his energy struggling with Sak to get him to the canvas. When he did pull Sak down by hanging on flopping to the floor, Sak sat in the guard and defended so well Royce looked impotent.

    3) This one is for Hawk- Sak was clearly fooling around when he made the fake taps. But just to be clear, the rules say THREE taps constitutes a tap out, not TWO. In the same sequence Sak was comfortable enough in the headlock to pull Royce's pants down.

    4) Two things finished Royce- his inability to defend a classic low roundhouse kick to the leading leg and his stamina. Although the former undoubtedly contributed to the demise of the latter. My read on the situation was Royce was too pigheaded to defend the legkick because he wanted to give the impression the kicks did not hurt.

    On a positive note I do give props to Royce for fighting and sticking it out to the end. But IMHO opinion this fight was the watershed between old and new MMA. Royce was schooled by a lighter man fighting Royce's rules. It was pathetic to see the once great champ cry uncle and quit, especially after saying he would never give up in a fight. Machismo defeated Royce.

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    blah blah blah...

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    • #3
      Royce is still a legend for what he did in the early UFC's. Its the reason alot of us are here. Unfortunatley though, Royce seems to have bought on to his own press clippings. Sakuraba is really the third fight in which Royce has really embarressed himself with a lack of preparation and a total reliance on his old UFC game.

      First, he takes on Wallid in a sport bjj match. The Torrance camp openly calls this a "tune up" match for Royce to get ready for Mark Kerr. Royce makes some blue belt blunders and is clock choked unconcious by Wallid. Rickson publicly wondered how Royce prepared for the match.

      Then there was the bore-fest with Takada. Bottom line, Royce could not get the sub.

      Finally, the Sak fight. Royce looked really bad.

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      • #4
        Hmmm. I wonder who this thread is for, LOL.
        Last edited by Tony10; 05-11-2001, 03:27 PM.

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        • #5
          Sak was just playing around and wanted Royce to suffer for making the fight so long, I think Sak could have finished him in 15 minutes if he really wanted to. He made Royce look totally ineffective. People say that Royce would have won if there were judges for the first two rounds but that is bs also because Sak wasn't even fighting back and Royce could do nothing.
          BTW, Renzo did not in any way whatsoever, win R1 against Sak. He was also totally ineffective and that standup stuff he did was a joke.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by vortrex
            blah blah blah...
            Gracie cult members hate to hear the truth. LOL.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Americana
              Royce is still a legend for what he did in the early UFC's. Its the reason alot of us are here. Unfortunatley though, Royce seems to have bought on to his own press clippings. Sakuraba is really the third fight in which Royce has really embarressed himself with a lack of preparation and a total reliance on his old UFC game.

              First, he takes on Wallid in a sport bjj match. The Torrance camp openly calls this a "tune up" match for Royce to get ready for Mark Kerr. Royce makes some blue belt blunders and is clock choked unconcious by Wallid. Rickson publicly wondered how Royce prepared for the match.

              Then there was the bore-fest with Takada. Bottom line, Royce could not get the sub.

              Finally, the Sak fight. Royce looked really bad.
              Good points.

              Very well said.

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              • #8
                Bottom line is "Royce sucked" in his fight against Sak. I've seen it several times myself and I have to agree with Aloha From Hell. Royce just didn't have what it takes to defeat Sak or at any time put Sak in trouble. I remember reading one of Royce's interviews in which he goes on and on about his Father's accomplishments and the marathon 4 hour fight Helio had against Valdemar Santana. A fight he lost but is never reflected in the undefeated Gracie streak. Royce stated he wished to accomplish a similar feat in his fighting days. Well he had the chance only problem was he didn't have the gas to back it up. By the way I believe this is the second time Royce has thrown in the towel because of fatigue. The first time was his fight against Kimo, (UFC 3) in which the first kinks in his armour began to show. And while I'm on a roll I read recently that Royce felt he won the fight against Sak, (the fricken gull of the man). He stated Sak didn't come to fight. Same comment he made about Ken Shamrock when they fought to a draw in UFC 5 the superfight! I guess Royce is the only one who ever shows up to fight in his matches and since his last fight with Shamrock has always been the one to lose. I know I know how dare I say such things knowing full well he could "squash me like a pimple"....The times they are changing. The GRACIE's have to learn to either get on the bus and learn from others or get in front of it.......

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                • #9
                  LOL, Hawk also thought Royce won the fight.

                  What kinda drugs are these guys on? I want some!!!
                  Last edited by Aloha From Hell; 05-11-2001, 05:30 PM.

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                  • #10
                    Royce Gracie is undefeated in the UFC.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by TracyKarate
                      Royce Gracie is undefeated in the UFC.
                      Oh please, let's not start wrestling with semantics again. He came out to fight and the towel was thrown in. In my book that is a defeat.

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                      • #12
                        A lot of great fighters out there would've been just as, if not more undefeated in the UFC as Royce was if they too were fighting Minoki Ichihara and Keith Hackney. Don't get me wrong, you can't take away Royce's early UFC accomplishments. He came out and dominated the field with superior technique and strategy few people had ever witnessed. Royce is undoubtedly a great fighter and great martial artist. But is he still the best? No way.

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                        • #13
                          I've seen the fight several times also. My take:

                          Royce looked fairly strong in the early rounds.

                          He was never able to take Sak down and therefore could never get into his game.

                          Sak beat him with leg kicks pure a simple. Royce wasn't any more gassed than Sak, even at the end. It's just that his legs had been pummeled unmercifully. One leg/foot was broken.

                          Royce lost the fight. But anyone who can last 1.5 hrs with Sak is a (still) a great fighter.

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                          • #14
                            "Anyone who can last 1.5 hrs with Sak is still a great fighter"

                            No, No, No.
                            Sak allowed Royce to continue for half hour, he could have pummeled him much earlier if he wanted to. For the first few rounds Sak is just standing there doing nothing, the two things he does are go for a kneebar and standing kimura, both of which he almost gets. Royce kept swinging and swinging, trying to take him down, drag him down, pull him down, and could do nothing. Sak was amused by Royce's silly attempts to get him.

                            "the fewer rules the better for me"
                            Then what the hell was Royce doing taking a five minute break after Sak accidentally kneed Royce in the groin? Is that a rule Royce would have appreciated?

                            "We don't just win one fight or two fights. We win them all because we have the technique."
                            This was said by Royce about guys like Coleman, Frye, and others that were competing in the UFC around that time. Well, well, look who turned out to be wrong.

                            "People get lucky. People win the lottery. Wallid got lucky. I would beat Wallid 99x/100. "
                            Most knowledgable bjj guys who watched that didn't think there was much luck involved, it was a matter of superiority of technique by the Carlson Gracie team member, of which Royce repeatedly said in the past "The Carlson guys don't have the techniques refined like we do".

                            Now don't anyone give me any crap like "Royce could wipe the mat with you" or anything like that because that's not the issue at all.

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                            • #15
                              Bravo Miyagi!

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