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  • #16
    I think as MMA evolves it will actually grow closer to traditional martial arts in some aspects. You can see this in the past couple of years with fighters with predominantly traditional martial arts backgrounds starting to emerge as top contenders and champions.

    What happened when mma fighting took hold was people saw how aggression and intent often beat technical ability. For a period watching the ufc meant watching polished brawling and then it came around as well with the majority of fighters studying the core disciplines for the past 15 years...Wrestling, Boxing, Muy Tai and BJJ but to a much more technically proficient degree. Then you have the Machida's and Anderson Silvas blurring the line even more.

    I think the answer lies most in the people providing the training. The more dogmatic and arrogant the heads of the schools the less they will progress weather traditional MA or MMA.

    There really are three categories though, it's not just mma vs tma. It's Traditional Martial Arts, Mixed Martial Arts and survival based combative where the goal is eliminating dangerous threats not wining. Mixed martial arts may have elements of survival fighting but you have to look at how it actually functions. At the end of the day if it is training to step into a cage or ring at your peak physical condition with an equally sized and similarly skilled opponent following a set of rules then they really are not necessarily getting any closer than TMA's to becoming the best combat art; someone who trains striking, clench and grappling as a means to get to cranking a neck or marring genitals or enough distance to draw their gun and shoot to stop is going to be a lot more likely to fulfill this goal.

    At the end of the day all three will probably still exist in thirty years. People have different intentions for training and none of these specific niches is going to fulfill the other as good as the correct one will.

    I personally think that a lot of people mis the boat entirely when discussing system vs system in the context of superior combative ability. At the end of the day if it's karate vs krav maga in a no rules fight, the guy who is able to deliver his intent first wins. It doesn't make sense to leave the person out of the equation in favor of the style or system. Like Bruce Lee repeated over and over....fighting is a form of self expression. whatever training methods leaves you best able to express yourself to deliver your intent is the superior one.

    The system isn't the art, the person is the art.

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    • #17
      TMA is more spiritual and enlightening then MMA most poeple want to be in MMA to kick some ass while lots go to TMA for self control self defense or inner peace

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      • #18
        I don't know, allot of guys who come to our dojo for the mma classes understand the spiritual gains they can acomplish through training, I don't think they are as vocal about it, but I know they comprehend and appreciate the character benefits that combat training lends. And most of the fighters I've met while competing and cornering in the amature circuit are aware of the spiritual side of mma, good sports, and most have trained in some kind of TMA, most of them are not "black belts" but do have a proficancy and understanding of the core concepts and the mental facets that are required by any serious martial artist.

        The people that start MMA training just to "whoop ass" usually don't last long, and they definately don't get very far anymore. I've seen so many of the "street fighters" just getowned in the cage because they don't take the time to drill, and don't respect fine technique enough to understand why it works.

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        • #19
          MMA is more western in its approach, you shake hands at the beginning, hug or shake hands at the end. The myth and stigma of asian martial art supremacy or any of that is no longer valid inside the cage. You get the respect by demonstrating clearly what you can do in real time. The westerners excel and propogate the sport. It has deep respect and deeper acknowlegement for those who put it out there train hard and show what they can do without any bullshit or mystical non sense. The TMA might think they have more discipline, more respect, more this or that but its not so, in mma its in a different context that goes beyond a TMAs understandng of what fighting or martial means. I've trained with alot of tough MMA guys and coaches who were disciplined, had progressive teaching plans, lived a strict diet and exercise region and worked on tremendous scientific principles in preparing for fights as well as developing techniques and attributes to win. again its a sport but when viewed realistically there is very bit of courage, discipline, respect, hard brutal training and realistic testing of your skills there is. On the spiritual front, many meditate, integrate yoga and deep breathing practices to balance out their hard training regimens thus gaining a yin/yang balance.

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          • #20
            On average, your journeyman combat sports guy is more prepaired to win an empty-handed fight compared to your journeyman TMA pracitioner.

            Combat sports refers to arts like boxing, muaythai, wrestling, judo etc.

            Combat sports guys do more conditioning, giving them better attributes and focus on sparring, allowing them to experience a fight in real time, real force.

            It seems like more TMA schools are adapting modern conditioning, more realistic sparring/fighting drills - making their practitioners stronger, tougher and able to put their techniques to work, which is a promising trend in the TMA community.

            Regarding TMA, some techniques cannot be practiced with a partner, because they are too dangerous.

            Look at some of the silat/kali/escrima blade drills, some of the strikes/qin-na from gong-fu, or finishing moves from traditional jiujitsu...

            These techniques require great discipline and responsibility, moreso than a crushing cross, elbow, knee or kick - this is where the art side of traditional martial arts is essential - the philosophical, moral and respect of your training partner and the discipline to only use when necessary.

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            • #21
              More "good" on TY...

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Tom Yum View Post
                On average, your journeyman combat sports guy is more prepaired to win an empty-handed fight compared to your journeyman TMA pracitioner.

                Combat sports = boxing, muaythai, wrestling, judo etc.

                Combat sports guys do more conditioning, giving them better attributes and focus on sparring, allowing them to experience a fight in real time, real force.

                It seems like more TMA schools are adapting modern conditioning, more realistic sparring/fighting drills - making their practitioners stronger, tougher and able to put their techniques to work.

                Some techniques cannot be practiced with a partner, because they are too dangerous.

                Look at some of the silat blade drills, some of the strikes/qin-na from gong-fu, or finishing moves from traditional jiujitsu...

                These techniques require great discipline and responsibility, moreso than a crushing cross, elbow, knee or kick - this is where the art side of traditional martial arts is essential - the philosophical, moral and respect of your training partner and the discipline to only use when necessary.


                Good post......

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Tom Yum View Post
                  Regarding TMA, some techniques cannot be practiced with a partner, because they are too dangerous.

                  this is where the art side of traditional martial arts is essential - the philosophical, moral and respect of your training partner and the discipline to only use when necessary.
                  Good post Tom.

                  If you insist on hurting or showing a lack of respect to your training partner then everyone loses.

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                  • #24
                    have u guys heard about them ?

                    Based in Singapore, Evolve Mixed Martial Arts® is the premier brand of Mixed Martial Arts (MMA) academies in Asia. Evolve ranks among the best academies in the world for Muay Thai and Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu with its elite World Champion instructors, state-of-the-art facilities, comprehensive course offerings, and convenient schedules.

                    As one of the top MMA schools in the world, our curriculum includes Mixed Martial Arts (MMA), Muay Thai, Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, Submission Grappling, Wrestling, Street Self Defense, Fitness Training, and the Little Samurai Children’s Program. Evolve is the first and only group of MMA academies in Asia with accreditation from two of the most elite academies globally in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu and Muay Thai. Evolve is an official Renzo Gracie Affiliate Academy. Evolve is also the largest overseas branch of the legendary Sityodtong Gym, the most respected Muay Thai gym in Thailand.

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                    • #25
                      Martial arts deals with improvement of the individual. This is something that TMAs know well. Not everyone will be a good fighter even if they they train hard. They however may become a great technician and possibly an instructor. MMA often makes the mistake of thinking that good fighters make good instructors and that is often not the case.

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                      • #26
                        The future of Martial Arts?

                        Something to do with flying cars I imagine.

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                        • #27
                          Future of Martial Arts?

                          It will keep evolving and changing with the times.

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                          • #28
                            This is an article I wrote about 5 years ago that in part addresses the question presented here:

                            KALI TUDO (tm) Article

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                            • #29
                              Wow good reading material.

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                              • #30
                                The TMA schools in my city do much better than the MMA schools. TMA schools attract families--kids, dads, middle age people with money. They are looking to increase flexibility, get in shape, instill discipline in their kids, and gain confidence. The MMA schools I've seen attract young guys (college age). I see two types of "MMA schools" -- 1. a TMA school that has some MMA program which usually attracts 18-30 year old guys who have some money and aren't really competetative athletes. They just like MMA and want to feel like they're a part of it. 2. the "hard core MMA school where MMA athletes train. These aren't "classes" although the school will offer them and that's how those guys pay their bills on top of odd jobs and the occasional fight winnings. Those places attract guys with UFC looking tattoos and some rough people. The secon category of school attracts people without a lot of money.

                                There are major exceptions obviously. I'm sure there are training facilities where elite MMA athletes train that attract all kinds of good paying customers. These are generalizations I've seen outside of the UFC/elite MMA world and I think these are more common.

                                My point: TMA schools are doing just fine and will continue to do so. They will offer "MMA classes."

                                There are also sport BJJ schools which are kind of their own niche market.

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