tkd vs Muay Thai

[falcon3624]

I seriously doubt you have had 32 MT matches in the ring. You can't count sparring in class as a fight. You also can't count beating up your 5yrs. old sister a fight.

And in this corner will a professional record of 32 losses and no wins, all by way of knock-out. You all know him and love to watch him take a fall.......The master of all martial arts........the stuntman.......the ultmate specimen of physic...........PAAAAAAUUUULLLLL WILSON!!!!!!!!!

[Ghost]

Yeah Paul is your ring name

Paul 'the fool' Wilson by any chance.

Look man be honest im doing MT in the UK too.
No way you had 32 fights at your age.

You got any belts.

If not then you must have lost most of your fights because you only need 8 to 12 to get to the British title.

As for your clinhc thing I know what you mean but the leg is not there to stop them kicking you , thats what holding their head down does cos they cant get the momentum, your supposed to twist your leg round to diturb their grip and then you can pull out of the hold.

Anyway im doing a check on your name in the fight records, you must show up somewhere.

Can you tell me what shows you fought at.

and when.

[Tom Yum]

Originally posted by nogard1980
correct me if I am wrong........but don't mt fighter usually start at a young age and most of them retire in there early 20's. Not because they are weak, but because the training and the brutality of the matches are so intense that even if you win most of your fights, there is still only so many times you can go through the punishment those guys are put through. If both are serious fighters (training wise) I would have to go with the mt ......those guys go through some hell and are tough as nails.

Muay Thai matches with Thai rules are extremely brutal. Even with international rules (leg kicking and kneeing to the body - excluding knees to head and all elbow techniques) Thai kickboxing is tough.

It places HUGE demands on your body both conditioning wise and contact wise, which is why you don't see fighters go all out all the time in training. Its a short-lived career for most muay thai fighters - reason being too much trauma to your internal organs via trying to avoid knees or head trauma from elbow shots/knees. The fallacy about MT is that it screws up your legs from getting kicked inside and outside the thigh and shins.

TKD at its most competitive levels can be quite viscious! We rarely see the best fighters that TKD has to offer, but if any of you have ever seen a highly ranked Korean TKD expert go to work you will not be dissapointed by their speed, power and toughness. Its a fallacy to think that a skilled TKD fighter will try to go head on with a muay thai fighter and try to brawl.

An experienced TKD fighter will stick and move, stick and move. He will use either a front snap kick or lead leg side kick as a jab - which means he might check your thigh with it (popular in Korea). I bet most of you didn't realize that TKD does this too.

He might check your front leg a couple of times to get you to respect his distance and move laterally to open up angles - like a boxer. He will faint a front snap kick and turn it into a hook kick or round house to the head and follow up with some extremely fast combinations like faint a leg check to a hook kick to the head, an upward angled side kick to the body and another side kick to check your thigh and maybe a turning kick.

Sure we laugh at Mc Dojos that do flippy kicks and twisty wristy and they have fun and teach kids to set goals, but I wouldn't underestimate all TKD.

Again, fighting depends on a lot of variables.

[Paul Wilson]

Have you ever fourght a Thai?
They are great fighters. Trained since the age of six to fight for a carear. You do lose to the Thai some times.

I mean to say 23 fights. Its nothing compared to 250 like the Thai's.

[Jet Pi]

I agree. The Thai's are really great fighters.
I have been beaten by Thai's just I sparring.

[falcon3624]

Originally posted by Paul Wilson
Have you ever fourght a Thai?
They are great fighters. Trained since the age of six to fight for a carear. You do lose to the Thai some times.

I mean to say 23 fights. Its nothing compared to 250 like the Thai's.

You said 32 fights I beleive Paul. I hardly beleive that you fought 32 fights especially in Europe where they don't have matches as often. Over here where I am at we have NHB matches every week and the person with the most matches around here pro has like 35 but he about 30 years old. I can't beleive that because I am 25 and I don't have 32 fights and we have alot of opportunities. From what Ghost says it sounds like they only have fights once every couple of months over there. You must have been fighting since you were like 10 right? And as far as beating a Thai sometimes???? You could not beat a Thai with a 12ga. shotgun son.........don't try to play yourself.

[gracilva]

to me, its not what style you do, but what is driving you to rip this guys head off.
eg. if someone rapes your wife and kids, it doesnt matter what style they do, you would just ground and pound them to death in about 20 seconds
i know mt fighters are tough, but never underestimate an original korean tkd master.
i used to train under this though as nails little korean 3rd or 4th dan bb, he had every move in the book, **** with him and you would know about it real quick.
so i would have to say its all about the driver not the car

[falcon3624]

True, true gracilva.......people always try to compare styles but it's not about the style it's about the person doing to the style. I don't care for TKD at all as far as fighting or as for defense though. There are just too many flaws in the art itself for my liking. I don't care for the McDojo representation of the art either. Where I live at there is a TKD dojo on every corner and none of them is worth a crap. Most of the guys stretch, watch a few videos, read a few books, buy a black belt, and then start teaching. Truth be told there is only one TKD master that I have met that I have any respect for whatsoever and that's probably just because he is a grandmaster in Hapkido and Judo.

[gracilva]

yeah thats why i quit
it was too much fancy spins and stuff
i was just standing there going, this could of been over a long time ago, and i was just a kid

[Paul Wilson]

There are loads of fights. Commonwealth, Regional, British, all different weight class categories. Cimac superleague, loads and loads of boxing fights. And more.

You don't live hear so I ask what biased opinion you are stating your comment on?

The UK produces some of the world’s greatest fighters. Lenox Lewis World Heavy Weight Champ. Damion Hood fighting in Thailand as we speak for the Praa Chuo Suua Camp he is the Commonwealth champion. There are so many but people like you are not realising. You are blinded by your own pity. Your greed for more power;. e.g. the greed that you seek to shut me up...

[Thai Bri]

Yep, that Canadian Lewis is one of our favourite Brits.

Shut up Paul..... Your impression of Master Po is making me ashamed to be British!

[Paul Wilson]

Lenox is not canadian!

[falcon3624]

Sounds like you are trolling shit Paul....You talk about all these great british fighters but you only named 2........keep going....we're listening.

[Ghost]

Originally posted by Paul Wilson
There are loads of fights. Commonwealth, Regional, British, all different weight class categories. Cimac superleague, loads and loads of boxing fights. And more.

You don't live hear so I ask what biased opinion you are stating your comment on?

The UK produces some of the world’s greatest fighters. Lenox Lewis World Heavy Weight Champ. Damion Hood fighting in Thailand as we speak for the Praa Chuo Suua Camp he is the Commonwealth champion. There are so many but people like you are not realising. You are blinded by your own pity. Your greed for more power;. e.g. the greed that you seek to shut me up...

There are categories as you stated Paul, yes, well done...but we know about them, the point was that the fights do not occur regularly.

I live in the UK and i have good idea how many shows there are .....not many.

There are not that many fights Paul face it, how many fighters do you have at your gym, we have about 6. Now there arent that many gyms. So when a show comes along it has about 17 fights in one night and then thats it for the next 2 to 3 months.

Baring this in mind i find it hard to believe you have has 32 fights and you are what....15.

Dont give us any crap about fighting when you were 10 either cos there are hardly and, ive never heard of it, kids fights over here. Considering that almost all fights are Pro and the amateur scene is almost non existent.

One guy at my club is triple British and European champ and i think he has had about that many fights maybe a few less.

We have a Commonwealth Champ that has had about 23 fights.

You must have lost all your fights or else I would change Gym or give up if i were you, you obviously arent any good.

The UK does not produce lots of good fighters. I would say our Thai Boxers are some of the worst with some exceptions. You have to look long and hard to find a good trainer in the UK, but they are there.

So please clarify your position as a fighter. I myself have not been in the ring, I have been doing MT for nearly 6 years(mainly private tuition with about 3 years gym), I want to teach it. I will go in the ring at some point, probably soon.

This is my position and its an honest one, which i feel is less than can be said for yours

[Acitic]

Originally posted by crazyjoe380
if tkd was good they'd us that in mixed martial arts but they don't they us mt..


case closed..

There is no need to bash TKD!!! I have seen tkd practioners go away with gold at mixed martial arts!! it isin't the better style.......... cuzz there certainly in none..... straight from the mouth of bruce lee!7.

"The key to improvement in the martial arts is:
practice and training"

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Taken striaght from thise website it certainly does not say a better style.... matter of fact is says
". In a self-defense situation, which style of martial arts is best?

None, motivation, skill level and the situation decide most outcomes."


Lets come to common grounds for a sec..... Do u think Karate is a useless martial art....... who normal has more ppl at mmat's karate or mt! Karate....... Tkd is karate mixed with korean foot fighting and i can name 8 kicks that r the exact same in technec and efectiveness.....

TKD is not used cuzz TKD was designed differently.... no as a sport that came later but as self-deffence.


And my opinon on this fight! TKD 1 say 1 kick to the head followed by a swift knife hand to a shin kick break the MT ankle followed by a Backfist to the head(Illigel TKD Tournement move)