tkd vs Muay Thai

[Nutz]

Originally posted by AKF
In 100% of the cases, it is not always the style of fighting but who the fighter is that's important.

I think this could be reworded to make it a little more relevant to the world as we know it (read: Reality). Try this one on for size:

What's important In fighting is the fighter behind a given style, not the styles themselves.

As I've said time and time again, all techniques have their place, but not everyone can execute all techniques. Only highly trained and well practiced practicioners with well developed attributes can pull off high-complexity techniques of a give art. Will techniques of art X be successful against someone using art Y? Well, how good is the guys at their respective arts and how well devoloped are their respective fighting attributes (speed, power, timing, etc).

In my opinion this poll is invalid. It gives me the feeling of when someone asks "is style X better than style Y"? Besides, I've seen 7 year old Black Belts. Who's to say that that 7 year old couldn't be facing a 25 year old ex-marine who's new to MT? Maybe now you can get the jist of my point.

[falcon3624]

You know this wouldn't be so lopsided if the TKD guys would quit voting for MT.

[Silent Giant]

Originally posted by jaychiu
What are the rules? Street fight? What are the size of the combatants? Is the TKD person a small woman vs. a very large MT man? There are so many things to factor into this, many of these things being the INDIVIDUAL, that an outcome can't be predicted just by the Arts listed. I've seen many people with Black Belts who weren't worthy of the belt. Who gave it to them? Hell, you can order one from Century for $15 bucks. The belt proves nothing as does the am or pro status.

Now to my opinion, based on of the training styles of the two arts, I would say that the MT person would win (if all things being equal) because they train for full on CONTACT. Most TKD practictioners do not or only for light contact. Again, this is discounting the skills of the individual and things like luck and Murphy's Law.

I agree with jaychiu. There are too many factors to consider to make an accurate statement, and as a former TKD guy and 1st degree black belt, I've fought kickboxers and while I was pretty good sparring with other TKD guys that were older and faster than me, the kickboxer blew my ass off the mat. Its a good thing that we had head, hand and foot gear or it would've been a short night. To fight a Muay Thai fighter trained in the traditional way would be suicide to most TKD fighters.

[Tianlong]

Originally posted by Ice Phoenix
Amateur Muay Thai all the way!!!

Don't forgot about kneeing and holding!

[M@T]

Originally posted by AKF
I used to be a bouncer with two guys who were both brown belts in TKD, and they were two of the toughest mothers I have ever met.

Sure but how tough would they have been if they were red belts in Muay Thai

[M@T]

Originally posted by Acitic
So you are saying in a sport competion, and someone kicks as hard as possible in someones face... kicks the nose bone into the brian and kills them that would be ok cuzz it shows how powerfull we are.

This is a myth. Your supposed to ram the palm of your hand upwards towards the brain and it breaks their nose and if you do it too hard then it pushes the nose into the brain.

But I looked into this and the way that area of the face is designed its practically impossible to die having that done to you.

Bloody myths

[Balo]

AKF
You speak the truth like a man who knows what he is talkin about.

I aggree totally.

[eXcessiveForce]

Just a note on the nose bone being rammed into the brain.

One that is a myth. One that is told through out martial arts.

However, impact to the nose in such a manner can cause death. this is due to the force being transfered to the brain. The brain slams into the front of the skull and then begins to swell causing a closed head injury. This can and does result in death. It is often not instantaneous but happens hours or even days after the hit. Much like deaths related to concussions. It can also rupture blood vessels in the brain and cause death instantly.


There are deaths each year in TKD tournaments. And plenty of knockouts.

In Songahm TKD There is no deduction for kicks to the head, sides and back of neck. In fact in points a kick to the head is worth more than a kick to the body. Blood does not lead to disqualification unless it cannot be stopped. A knockout wins the match. However Knockouts are not the goal since it is a form of point sparring at tournaments.

In my ring at world championships. There was a knockout, A broken jaw, a broken shin and plenty of bruises. That's the game. That was in point sparring.

Conditioning is the big factor between tkd and mt. Most TKD schools do not work conditioning as hard simply for the fact that it is not what the masses are looking for.

One person makes 100,000 a year teaching at a single school,
and one makes 30,000 One teached TKD and one teaches MT.

Don't make the mistake in believing that just because they teach what makes more money means that people do not train hard and have conditioned shins and have worked their knees, elbows and headbutts. Of which TKD has all.

Still in the case mentioned it doesn't matter there is no way to know who would win.

I teach kids it pays the bills so that the adult blackbelts have equipment, a place to train, and don't have to pay so damn much to make it worth my while to teach.

[M@T]

Originally posted by falcon3624
I have never seen a real fight that has not ended up with someone bloodied.

Not true. I chinned someone in the street once then booted him in the jaw when he went down knocking him out.

No blood

[greyfox13]

ahahahahahaha , booted him in the jaw, thats a good one man