Is there controversy with the mixed martial artist and the kung fu fighters?

[Sensei Saki]

I do not know what yourself is.

Myself?I think it was in America.
That's an interesting question. I'll come back to that in a minute.
That is a hypothetical question.Sorry I misunderstood. What did you say?Just? A lot of robots are like that.

[jubaji]

golly gee, as soon as they get home from overseas, i'll let 'em know how much better off they would be

How much better off they would be if they could be taught for free too? I'm sure they would appreciate that!

[jubaji]

where did i EVER say bite, and eyegouge your opponent to death?

i asked if being blind or dead would bother you.

Ah, so you answered your own question. Did you re-read what you had written and feel embarrassed? I can't blame you.

[BoarSpear]

That's right. Keep that figure in mind the next time you feel the urge to contribute.

This is the mixed martial arts forum asking for opinions on the subject i posted about punk. i really dont care if a college wrestler thinks that 2 professional athletes competing in a sport for money have jack shit to do with surviving non rule orientated street encounters.

I only know of 3 of your precious pro athletes who fought in the street....Tito who got his ass kicked, Lee Murray who is currently in the hospital from multiple stab wounds recieved in the street and Alex Gong, currently dead from his street encounter. HMMM doesnt sound like you guys fair too well without your padded rings, rules and protective gear.

Think about that before you spout anymore sports based knowledge for street fighting, sport fan.

Perhaps the question isnt are combatives too dangerous for the ring (a simple look at the rules clears that up ), perhaps a better question is, "Are ring arts safe and effective in the street?" thier record in the street aint lookin so good....

[BoarSpear]

Ah yes, Bas Rutten who is not in any way a professional athlete himself.

I'm looking forward to your finding quotes of me saying that open handed strikes cannot knock someone out.

Go ahead. I'll wait.

That was the whole point of the post you got all excited over.
I advocated open hand strikes when fighting, if the eye pokes happen so be it, you acted like that doesnt work...here we are now

[BoarSpear]

Ah, so you answered your own question. Did you re-read what you had written and feel embarrassed? I can't blame you.

so you have survived a full power set of iron palm slaps to the face and head, or had thumbs or fingers dug into your eyes full power and it didnt bother you a bit huh? i guess strikes to the adams apple, neck breaks etc dont bother the mighty black knight either? Note also this wasnt about me, it was about Paul Vunak and Paul does teach biting and eye gouging as an extra set of tools.

[BoarSpear]

How much better off they would be if they could be taught for free too? I'm sure they would appreciate that!

like i said i'll send 'em your way trooper Yes it would be great if no one needed ANY money...however i feel those who choose to risk death and killing others as a profession can afford to pay for my time and experience.

[Uke]

Have you ever seen me be the advocate of biting? or blinding? dont i usually point out thats the excuse of someone trying to cheat a win, because they lack the skill to get it any other way?

I agree with most of what you said, but in a situation where someone's life is on the line, the only thing they can cheat is death, Brother. There are no rules in staying alive. If I had to bite, blind, spit or rip a nutsack off I'm going to do what I have to do to live another day.

I discovered by accident that dim mak existed. I began getting accidental stuns in class with students when playing rough. These were the same places i had always hit but my skills apparently improved around the 25 years of training mark. (meaning i got stuns with much less force so i can deliver even faster strikes) I inquired why no one in the family ever mentioned this skill since they are all skilled fighters. My dad said, "i never stopped hitting them until they stopped moving, so i dont know what youre talking about." I thought "no shit me either!" i later tested these strikes on some soldiers i trained, they worked like a charm so we tried 'em out at work so to speak and they are working just fine.

I haven't seen any dim mak work personally. The closest that I've seen is George Dillman, and his knockouts don't always work. And from what I've seen, his knockouts never work unless someone is compliant. But if you're serious, remind me to have a conversation about it with you later, BoarSpear.

In the meantime, take a lesson from the topic I post on. You let this moron jubaji get to you when if you just stopped and looked ... he never once posted a thing about technique or fighting itself. He just repeats what you wrote and writes sarcastic bullsh!t afterwards. You're seriously putting alot of time into a kid, probably no older than 18, who is posting with experience from fights with frat boys. You've posted enough techniques and concepts on this topic alone only to be answered by the brilliant response of "yeah right". If he had responded at least once about martial arts and not with sarcasm, I could see how you might see a reason to go on.

Dude, do yourself a favor and read his last 10 replies and ask yourself "What the fcuk am I doing?"

[JkD187]

whoa there boarspear id hate to reign on your parade of ufc guy getting killed in the street...but uhh tito got his ass kicked by who again....lee murray another PROFESSIONAL fighter.....speaking of lee he was in a 25 man brawl when stabbed....id like to see you try those disarms among that chaos....shyt no one could of stopped that....and as for alex gong (rip) his car was hit by a felon who escaped from jail in a stolen car and gong was training and had his full thai gear on including gloves and ran up to the guy punched out the window...they guy got scared and shot him and sped off like lighting....wrong place wrong time thats it..it coulda happened to anyone...so yea i really dont see your point with that shity ass reply u made.

[BoarSpear]

I agree with most of what you said, but in a situation where someone's life is on the line, the only thing they can cheat is death, Brother. There are no rules in staying alive. If I had to bite, blind, spit or rip a nutsack off I'm going to do what I have to do to live another day.



I haven't seen any dim mak work personally. The closest that I've seen is George Dillman, and his knockouts don't always work. And from what I've seen, his knockouts never work unless someone is compliant. But if you're serious, remind me to have a conversation about it with you later, BoarSpear.

In the meantime, take a lesson from the topic I post on. You let this moron jubaji get to you when if you just stopped and looked ... he never once posted a thing about technique or fighting itself. He just repeats what you wrote and writes sarcastic bullsh!t afterwards. You're seriously putting alot of time into a kid, probably no older than 18, who is posting with experience from fights with frat boys. You've posted enough techniques and concepts on this topic alone only to be answered by the brilliant response of "yeah right". If he had responded at least once about martial arts and not with sarcasm, I could see how you might see a reason to go on.

Dude, do yourself a favor and read his last 10 replies and ask yourself "What the fcuk am I doing?"

HEHEHE, Trust me, Im the last guy who will advocate fair fighting. In fact, I have a simple rule..."the only dirty moves are the one the other guy uses" Aside from that disclaimer, if im fighting its for my life, i going to do everything in my power to incapacitate you as quickly as possible, nothing is unthinkable in a fight.

I was simply referring to the vast majority of people who dont train thier hands for attacks like that, or train to hit those targets, but expect them to work on a seasoned fighter. I have bitten the fingers of people who tried to reach my eyes at close quarters, not so much to hurt them, as to keep those fingers out of my eyes. i have also seen the results of a panicked volley of palm strikes to the face and neck of an armed attacker of a female student of mine. His face needed stitches and he nearly lost an eye so I know it works.

And i dont mind jubaji. He is funny (sometimes), and occasionally (rarely) he says something intelligent. I figure he is either judo Gene Lebell or a pimple faced punk, one or the other, no in between....like redheads, thier either beautiful or , well thats our boy jubaji, either were honored to be in the presence of the almighty or .....not

as for pressure points, they are real, no doubt.

As for delayed death touch and no touch knockouts.... lets just say it is more likely that jubaji is judo Gene Lebell than it is delayed death and no touch K.O's exist .

[BoarSpear]

whoa there boarspear id hate to reign on your parade of ufc guy getting killed in the street...but uhh tito got his ass kicked by who again....lee murray another PROFESSIONAL fighter.....speaking of lee he was in a 25 man brawl when stabbed....id like to see you try those disarms among that chaos....shyt no one could of stopped that....and as for alex gong (rip) his car was hit by a felon who escaped from jail in a stolen car and gong was training and had his full thai gear on including gloves and ran up to the guy punched out the window...they guy got scared and shot him and sped off like lighting....wrong place wrong time thats it..it coulda happened to anyone...so yea i really dont see your point with that shity ass reply u made.

Nothing shitty about it, Wrong impression of invincability from false senses of security from training ring arts. The first rule i got as a kid from my dad was never strike a pose, never warn people you know the arts, hit em first, let your hands and feet tell them you can fight, not your mouth or your pretty stances. Anyone with street sense knows jumping out in a road rage and chasing a hit and run driver while wearing martial art gear is begging to get shot! It isnt so much wrong place wrong time as wrong mind set, wrong tools for environment. Titos Mouth and bad attitude, both spread over from the ring to the street...Lee Murray also became a ring fighter but was a street fighter.
But you missed my point about Tito, he was knocked down by punches, when he got up though, he got up like a mma fighter used to rules that prevent kicks to the face, Lee even said this aint the ring as he kicked tito in the face! i used tito to illustrate you will fight like you train. Those people all went down alleys so to speak, Because of thier arts...if you view fighting as a game, someone who doesnt may kill you. Thats the street reality.

If one person reevaluates his attitude about road rages or shit talking and decides to be more careful and less macho then i dont think using those examples of reality are wrong.

[JkD187]

i do agree about the gong thing he shouldnt of went out with the gear on and shyt that guy prob crapped his pants but u kno cowards.....well we can all learn from gongs mistake...and tito sucks big monkey nuts i hate that fag....murray was a streetfighter indeed but he was training when he clocked tito.ring arts can be modified very easily to street its comon sense...but then again most people dont have that....ive studied tkd....karate....wing chun....bjj...muay thai..boxing..judo..greco and freestyle wrestling....sambo...shooto...kali...jkd concepts...real vale tudo (yea baby!) and have been in my fair share of street fights and huge brawls with up to 15 people before.Adjusting what u learn in the ring to the street is easy as long as you dont think ur superman. the rules are very simple...there are none and like u said bout ur pops i agree 100% with all those points its common knowladge that is overlooked by most ring sports but i dont see them having too many problems look at liddell and gan mcgee....don fyre and brian johnson.....my man bas all these guy handled multi opponents easily...not to say there supermen or anything but they can damn sure hold there own.

[jubaji]

I only know of 3 of your precious pro athletes who fought in the street....a better question is, "Are ring arts safe and effective in the street?" thier record in the street aint lookin so good....

Wow, based on a total of "3"! Your statistical analysis needs some work, champ.

You like books. Go read Innumeracy, by John Allen Paulos.



In the meantime you can tell me all your stories about how you personally have beaten the snot out of professional fighters. Go on.

[jubaji]

odd...

That was the whole point of the post you got all excited over.
I advocated open hand strikes when fighting, if the eye pokes happen so be it, you acted like that doesnt work...here we are now

Why did you attribute a quote to me that I did not make?

[jubaji]

i guess neck breaks etc dont bother the mighty black knight either?

Oh, I just hate it when someone breaks my neck in one simple twist like in the movies . Hurts like heck.


So, how many necks have you broken, champ?