Trouble with wrestlers

[jubaji]

I think the biggest secret about wrestlers is the insane cardio they're able to endure. I remember some of my friends who were on the HS wrestling team telling me they sweated buckets just doing intense cardio. This gives them the ability to not only keep on driving into you with great grappling technique, but to keep doing so at a 100% intensity level that just wears you out if you're not conditioned enough.

Best regards,

Seifer2399

Preparing to wrestle at a high level is some seriously hard work!

[Tom Yum]

Wrestlers

To add to that, wrestlers have an insane work ethic!! They don't have to win from excellent technique; in a lot of cases they just outcondition the others. That's why wrestlers turned MMA guys allways seem to do well. 100% intensity 100% of the time. Also having an understanding of control and balance too.

[jubaji]

tru dat!

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[TylerDurden]

If you really want to take on wrestlers be prepared. Get yourself in shape, hit the weights. Half the troubles you guys are mentioning are being overpowered and out lasted with cardio troubles. Get to equal footing on those and you will have a much easier time. Also cross train a little, take some Judo and you don't have to give up top to anyone.

The huge advantage BJJ has over wrestling is that wrestlers cannot work from the bottom, so find a way to get them there. Its not easy, and they will fight it like crazy, but if you can get top position you got em.

However if you end up on bottom, then do whatever Gracieaustin says, cuz he knows more than I about this.

[TylerDurden]

Kneeing a wrestler in the face when he goes for a single or double leg would be effective, but its not as easy as it sounds. Watch some experienced wrestlers in Pride like Rampage Jackson. They come in fast and very powerfully for that leg. Its a good idea to try and make them pay for it, but I would rather sprawl and make sure I don't get taken down and try for the guillotine.

[BadgerFu57]

I dont know much about wrestling other than it is usefull but on the mat strikes are not allowed so some of the moves i have seen i dont think would work in real life.

Heares one that another kid showed me: Both opponents are standing, you then get down on the ground grab one of their legs, you then stand up holding that leg. You then sweap with your foot closer to their grounded leg. To me in real life when you get down on the ground and try and grab their leg your opponent will grab your head and smash into your knee. A smashed knose and face is very painful.

A lot easier said than done. Everyone thinks that wrestling is ineffective and doing simple things like biting, pinching, and using knee strikes to prevent takedowns will work. First of all, they dont go 'down to the ground' they SHOOT in. If they are a halfway decent wrestler, and you are not prepared, get ready to go stragith down and easily get teh wind knocked out of you. Secondly, wrestlers also have clinch work and throws. Thirdly, just because it's not allowed in wrestling doesn't mean they can't punch or headbutt or elbow or knee in a real fight. Oh yeah, and don't forget, they don't ever get tired. They can go a week without food, working out 2 hours a day at least probably more like 3 or maybe even 4, while maintaning a full academic schedule, and did I mention they probably haven't eaten in a week.... I mean they got to have a bad attitude about that, lol.

[TylerDurden]

Underestimating a wrestler is a quick ticket to an ass whoopin.

[jubaji]

Well i know that there was one kid in 8th grade that i pinned to the ground who took wrestling lessons. Now hes on the hs wrestling team. Anyways that head is quite close to the knee. Once the wrestler has a broken knose you will be in extreme pain, you could repeatedly knee his face untill he backs off. Even if he takes you to the ground his eyes are watering intensly thus placing him at a disadvantage. I am not underestamading wrestlers i am just saying that certain techniques have been developed for the mat in which there are rules preventing striking. In real life there are none of these rules.

Ah, the things people tell themselves to sleep better at night...

[jubaji]

What did i just post that wasnt true? Well help me out hear and get specific.

First, there is the "I'll knee him in the face" theory. True, it can be done, but it is predicated on the false notion of the 'running tackle from across the room' theory of grappling defense. This would be much more likely as a follow-up to a counter. Only a pretty shitty wrestler is gonna take a shot that you have time to respond to in such a fashion.

Second, you are setting yourself up for big problems if you assume that a broken nose will change the attitude of someone who was angry with you in the first place. You can function with a broken nose.

Third, the false hope that 'illegal' techniques that you probably don't practice for 4 hours a day against live opponents will make up for physical and technical disadvantages is a fool's hope.

Finally, the 8th grade ? How relevant is this? Why not go all the way back to kindergarden for your example?

[jubaji]

The huge advantage BJJ has over wrestling is that wrestlers cannot work from the bottom,

How do you mean this?

[jubaji]

what i mentioned could be used when one guy gets down on one knee and trys and grab the opponent's knee.

That's what I'm trying to tell you. It doesn't work that way.

[jubaji]

Yes you can function with a broken knose, and continue to fight but it will impair your ability to do so. A broken knose causes extreme pain and eye watering. This will give you an advantage over them.

True. But if you are counting on that to make up for other shortcomings, you are making a mistake.

[jubaji]

Their head is very close to your knee, it would be easy to reach down grab them by the hair, ears, or back of head and smash their face into your rising knee.

No, its not. This is what I'm trying to tell you. This is not stop-motion photography.

[jubaji]

Just making you aware of this. So scroll down the fourm a bit for my reputitation.

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[jubaji]

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