Gaining muscle, lifting weights, and BJJ. Is it possible?

[Kingston]

Re: Some misconceptions

Originally posted by Frackal
Hello all,
I was linked to this site by superdave, and upon reading it I admit I was rather surprised...I am well aware that steroid use is not looked upon favorably by many, but I was quite honestly shocked at the amount of misinformation that has been displayed so far.

This forum is moslty frequented by Americans, what do you expect? if you cant get support in other forums, you mite find it here im looking at you sharp phil

lol that was a cheap shot, im sorry.

[Frackal]

LOL Well we are a bit behind the times as far as steroids and other drugs go... it is quite interesting really....when I first started bodybuilding I felt the same way all of you did until I began to learn, then I was really amazed at how badly things had been distorted....

It reminded me of reading about how the US goverment and doctors used to say that marijuana would cause homocidal mania and other such ridiculous notions...

In 5-15 years it is very likely that many of you will be on replacement doses of testosterone, growth hormone etc for your golden years, in order to live a longer, happier, and healthier life.

[Kingston]

Originally posted by Frackal
And Kingston, I am sorry to inform you, but you cannot logically quantify something as you have regarding alcohol and steroids...though I can give an example that a male suffering from low testosterone levels will benefit from lifelong steroid (testosterone) replacement, but longterm use of alchohol will cause numerous problems including brain damage.

i am aware of the differences between steroids and alcohol.
its hard sometimes when you are thinking on the go, i was just using it as an analogy.
i was more making a point on everything in moderation.

Kingston, also I appreciate your civil manner, but I believe you are speaking out of place when it comes to steroids...It honestly does not appear that you know much about them, and are mistaken on many points...just a suggestion...I am sure you get tire of people incorrectly stereotyping something that is important to you, so you can understand. [/B]

Are you superdaves drug dealing? lol just kidding . The only thing i know about steroids is what iv learned! Its been a while since iv done any research, so im not suprised if i got anything wrong. im much better at remembering general ideas relating to a subject then numbers and statistics.

[Kingston]

Originally posted by Frackal
LOL Well we are a bit behind the times as far as steroids and other drugs go... it is quite interesting really....when I first started bodybuilding I felt the same way all of you did until I began to learn, then I was really amazed at how badly things had been distorted....

It reminded me of reading about how the US goverment and doctors used to say that marijuana would cause homocidal mania and other such ridiculous notions...

In 5-15 years it is very likely that many of you will be on replacement doses of testosterone, growth hormone etc for your golden years, in order to live a longer, happier, and healthier life.

when people hear the word "steroids" they think of the most dangerous kinds (i think of anabolic steroids) with the worst side effects, and the highest risk factors......its easyer that way, people dont get confused thinking "is this a good one or a bad one" when nothing is realy that straight foward of "good" or "bad".

didn't used to think communism caused homocidal mania, now i think you have to be from Islam.

[Big Johnson]

Originally posted by Bri Thai
Well pump yourself full of that shit then if you are immoral enough.

Steroids are "immoral?"

[Big Johnson]

Originally posted by Bri Thai

Steroids are dangerous and immoral. And you, sir, are a twat.

Dude, name calling isn't going to change the fact that you have a small penis.

[Big Johnson]

Originally posted by ryanhall
You wanted support, and you got it. Athletes today are more injury prone than those of yesteryear. Why? Many make use of steriods.

In a fight, given equal skill levels, the guy taking steroids is much more likely to do the injuring.

[Frackal]

RyanHall

ryanhall says:

"Athletes today are more injury prone than those of yesteryear. Why? Many make use of steriods."


Ryanhall I assume you have a collection of evidence to support your sweeping statement? For instance, I assume to come to this conclusion you have:

-Made operational definitions of:

"an athlete" (what exactly constitutes an athlete?)

"injury prone" (please define 'injury prone' and how you came to this conclusion)

"yesteryear" (Define "yesteryear." If you are going to make a statement such as this, to be even remotely considered accurate, you need a timeframe for comparison's sake, yes?)

"many" (what constitutes many? is that not a subjective term without a proper definition? please define)

I assume Ryan that this was a multi-decade study which monitored your definition of an athlete, had a control group and variable(s) group, taken from a random sample.

In any real-world setting, no one is going to take a statement like the one you made with anything more than a particle of salt.

Where I come from, a baseless statement like the one you just made would go largely ignored at best and ridiculed at worst... It seems that there is a decent level of intelligence here, so I would not expect any different a response from your peers.

[Distanced]

very insightful frackel.

without people being able to back up their statements, it only causes their bias to be even more based on propaganda

[PlateheadJim]

Unbelievable....

Please...... Please, if anybody wants to comment on Anabolic / Andrenic Steroid use do actual research. Research doesn't include what:

- You're dipshit buddy told you one time when you where both drunk

- What you're Mother told you

- What Politicians pull out of their ass

- What the Olympic Anti-Doping comittee says (Lobbied hard to make Anabolic Steroids illeagle in 1990 to serve their own intertests - not to protect others)

- What your "GENERAL" ... meaning incompetent for anything other than an aspirin Practicioner says

Search and learn. Anabolic Steroids are used heavily by athletes and DO NOT contribute to injuries, instead they protect. I am friends with a few pro-NFL players and without AAS (Anabolic/Andrenic Steroids) they would spend most of their time in the ****ing hospital recovering. The demands of pro sports (which is fueled by the demands of fans) is what has increased injuries and will always push the limits.

Fans want more homeruns, stronger linebackers,etc and yet they are "shocked" when they find out that some (actually nearly all) athletes are using drugs? **** you for being a hypocrite! Let me sum up some points that may upset those living in a fantasy world:

1) Athletes are superior to you, drug use or not - drugs don't make up for genetics and damn brutal training they just help.

2) Even athletes that don't use AAS's use other drugs - long distance runners use Clomid to increase endurance (or EPO), those short litle gymnists on occasion are given Estrogen at an early age to stunt their growth (to stay competitive). Many athletes use Human Growth Hormone which is hard to detect and currently not banned in most athletics.

I have a fantastic HDL/LDL profile with total Cholesterol around 122. My body fat is 6%, my medical profile is awesome according to current measures (blood tests/stress test/etc), I'm 32 and YES I take AAS on occasion in a responsible manner and give some credit to it. Also though, I eat right and crank iron which is the foundation. If you think AAS's are cheating, please avoid them because you're probably a pussy in the gym and blame AAS for everybody that doesn't look like yourself (shit).

This is a general message, if you're a moron you know who you are - **** YOU!

[nuh_mizer]

Originally posted by Big Johnson


In a fight, given equal skill levels, the guy taking steroids is much more likely to do the injuring.

LMAO

[nuh_mizer]

Originally posted by jcolvin
The ill effects of steriod use is well documented. The question you have to ask yourself and only you can answer is, "Is this worth it?" Most of the cases people mentioned are about people who make their living off of their bodies in competitive competition. Now we all train for different reasons, so if you are taking steriods and mind you that is your business is it worth a few years of your life.

The idiots that think "more is better" are the ones that suffer from "ill effects". If used properly, they aren't harmful. By saying "is taking steroids worth a few years of your life?" you make it sound like heroin or PCP which they are not. Alcohol and cigarettes take more lives and cause more heath problems than steroids. The american govt has decided to make them illegal, but there are a lot of countries that they are legal in. You should do some more research and develop your own opinion intead of letting others feed you full of what THEY think.

[Guest]

What has Burning Inside, Cyborg, Superdave, Distanced, Frackal and Big Johnson got in common?


Answer - they all "quote", and then answer, posts in the same way, and they all have next to no posts between them (i.e. fairly new to the forum).

Now maybe I'm too sceptical, or maybe I smell a massive tiny testiculared, balding, roid rage rat!

THEY'RE ALL THE SAME PERSON! WHAT A SAD TWAT!



Isn't that evidence enough against the roids?

[Frackal]

I have made an effort to be civil, but my god you are a ****ing moron....not that this needs to get to that point but I am sure if a mod checked our IPs he would find that all of those posters you mentioned are different people

[Frackal]

BTW bri thai, I see that you are a police officer...someone with your lack of logical thinking in that position is a scary thought indeed... you come off as quite the zealot.