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A common misconception that's floating around the Martial Arts world is that the moves and disciplines used in MMA cannot be used successfully in a self defense altercation. That is very innacurate, as a matter of fact, I can say that MMA training is probably one of the best ways to train for self defense. Before you start bombing me with a tirade of derogatory terms, hear me out. There are a lot of things about MMA that are not fully compatible with streetfights ( jockeying for a submission with one dude while his buddy is standing behind you with a lead pipe comes to mind.) But most of the techniques and strategies employed in MMA can be easily converted into useful real world techniques. For example, when you do a simple armlock from the mount all you have to do is turn your face so the guy doesn't claw your eyes out. Voila! You have a perfectly applicable self defense technique at your disposal. Most people believe that because MMA is a sport, the techniques cannot be used in a real altercation. Is there a better way to train for self defense than by sparring with trained athletes that could kick your ass and give you a good run for your money? I don't think so, now, that's not to say that you don't have to change a few details of your techniques but overall, MMA training is some of the best self defense training on the planet. What do you guys think about this? All responses are welcome.
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You might be able to use martial arts to protect your face, but u'd still get ass kicked in the end... -
MMA is excellent training for self defense.Comment
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What exactly are you trying to say? Are you talking about the arm lock example?Originally posted by Hulk
You might be able to use martial arts to protect your face, but u'd still get ass kicked in the end...Comment
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HULK IS TALKIN ABOUT WHEN YOU AGRUE WIT YO WIFE.... THE END RESULTS..
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MMA is pretty good
MMA is pretty good to train in as long as you have the intelligence to differentiate between what you can use for sport and for the street. Using the arm lock as an example. You say turning your face to keep him from gouging the eyes. Remember, you are using both hands-he has one free. Are you taking into consideration your genitals or the possibility that he can pull forward and take a chunk of flesh with his mouth? OR, even worse, pull out a weapon(knife,razor etc.) with his free hand? I have seen this stuff in prison so you can't tell me that it doesn't happen. If you practise for 'street', you MUST remember to eliminate every possible counter available to your opponent-or else- you may find yourself in the hospital. Limit his every option. Do not give him even the slightest opportunity to do you harm. This seems to be the problem encountered here in this forum. A lot of could have should have stuff without stopping to THINK about the reality of things.Comment
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I totally agree that MMA is good training and can be adapted to 'self defense' situations.
Instead of eliminating the options of your opponent, as auto expressed, work towards generating your own.
'Self defense' can be viewed as a long continuum of decisions. If you find yourself in a striking/grappling situation somewhere along the line you have made erroneous judgement.
Or you were just looking to prove your skill.Comment
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New definition
MMA = My Martial Arts (j/k)Comment
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MMA training is excellent..............as long as you seperate ring mantality from street mentality............but you LOST RONIN have covered that, I can't say that for everyone elseComment
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MY Martial Art
That's cool.
Um... I always thought that this forum was about sharing our experiences and knowledge with other martial artists not about "no, you are wrong or don't listen to that guy" type of attitude. I have respect for your opinion Szcze...(is it ok just to write Sz?) but what I was referring to was Ronin's comment on the arm bar. Everyone here should already know about the concept of "offensive defense" or as you called it "generating your own options". However, I am trying to protect these guys from a "false reality". I am only sharing what I has gained over the years. When you, "git out amongst 'um" as my grandfather used to say, you will learn REALLY quick... especially if you witness something like your 'practise buddy' taking some 'thug' to the ground and jump up screeming with a finger missing that was just bitten off.(I have seen this).That's when you say to yourself "Oh sh$t, Auto was right, maybe he wasn't so STUPID after all". If you go out there mentally "blind" and survive it, consider yourself VERY lucky.
Most street fighters HATE being on the ground and will do ANYTHING to get back up. While you are screwing around with that arm bad things will happen to you.
Not many, if any, posters here have experienced what I have. I have been shot(left deltoid), stabbed through right forearm(kicking him in the balls at the same time--when I pulled the knife out p*ssy took off running), hit with a baseball bat(by other entity..it crushed my right shin), hit with an iron bar-side of the head(outside entity), had my left orbital fractured(brain fluid was coming out my nose) and served time in S.Q. for almost beating a man to death(and that doesn't include the time I served in Orange,Los Angeles and San Bernadino counties). That's outside, INSIDE I saw men raped, killed, sold and passed around for 'cigs' and a host of other things. How can I explain to you more clearly?
My Si Fu said it best, " If you fail to gain control of your opponents 'movement time' before, during and after your attack, you are only asking for trouble and in a dagerous situation it may cost you your life". I consider myself EXTREMELY lucky to be alive today...most of my friends are dead...either from being shot or stabbed to death. So I would like to give advice to those of you who really don't know what to expect out there in the "really real" world. That's all. Let me use a parable.
You are a med school graduate in the operating room with a surgeon who has done open heart surgery hundreds of times. You jump up and say " That's not the right way to do that" the surgeon says "Oh? How many times have you done this?" you say, "none, but I practiced in school on dead cadavers". NOT the same thing. Practicing in a dojo with other MMA'ers, BJJ'ers,NHB'ers, is not the same thing as fighting a guy trying to hurt you real bad at any cost with any method available. AND, when your doing that arm bar his buddy may smash you upside your head(but Ronin coverd that).Last edited by auto; 03-27-2003, 08:00 AM.Comment
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MMA training develops a wide range of functional attributes that may be valuable in streetfighting. That said, there are a number of elements to streetfighting that are not a part of MMA training. To be a grappler and merely think to yourself, " I could do all that biting and gouging if I wanted to!" is different than actually training and practicing the application of those techniques. To have the awareness to use improvised weaponry is not typically trained as part of MMA work.
It's all a matter of what else you work on. MMA training is excellent for developing strength, speed, distance/timing, and resistance to pain. If you supplement that by "filling in the gaps" with other training emphasis, you can have a very thorough program.
"Absorb what is useful" ........ Bruce Lee ( a great quote)
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what you guys have to understand is that .. when you train in mma .. going to the ground.. is last resort..
if i can end a fight by kicking in the balls.. then i will
if i can stab the eyes .. i will..
if i can attack the throat.. i will..
doing those fast stoppers will end a fight without going all mma'ed out..
but knowing mma is the best shit.. but knowing street defense is excellent too..
who says fighting all crazy and mixing it up is what has to be??
i'll mace a mf'er and beat em down..Comment
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Joe, you crazy Mutha F*cka
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I wouldn't dare to underestimate MMA but lets not forget that MMA is a generic term where it depend on the org how the fighting goes.
Pride fight tend to have more groundfighting than most (IMHO)
If you ask yourself is it practical in real life situations, you have to look at how many real fights end up on the ground
I don't think a lot of barbrawls end up on the ground but that's just my view
on the other hand MMA teaches you to take punches or kicks and still go onComment
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I don't practice MMA(at least not in the sense you guys use it: Shamrock, Ortiz style) but I respect it. They are just so tough and well conditioned that you just have to give them some respect. (That and the fact that they can "ground and pound" at will)
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