Native American fighting arts?

[darrianation]

hold on now pizzaro?....who was the guy who kidnaped Montazuma (spelling?)
his names on the tip of my tongue.

cortez? Cortez is the one who killed montezuma.

[Kingston]

ya Cortez thats it, he accualy held Montazuma captive, iv heard when he was let go his people resented him so much they stoned him to death. (montazuma that is).

[haumana2000]

He who led the Spanish in their conquest was Hernan Cortez, in 1519 I believe. (It's been a long time, I minored in Southwest studies but can still be mistaken on the exact date ) Anyway, he was defeated and driven away twice left recruited the zapotecs, and many other of the tribes the Aztecs had also subjugated. When he returned, he was led by an Aztec woman named "Malinche" (A name which means traitor in Mexico today) flying the banner of good will and trust. The entrance to the city Tenochtitlan, was a long bridge, which likey due to being so shallow would never had been breached by the Spaniards, because the city was built on 6 shallow, and murky lakes, swamps really. However, the Spaniards were able to cross because of false friendship they claimed, and were welcomed. The Spaniards attacked in the middle of the night, killing women, children, and men. They also tore down all religious centers, and schools. Here is an interesting tidbit, for being so far behind "Spain" technology, they had aquaducts, working plumbing, a complex political and religious system, schools, of every technology, including warfare, and performing arts. They actually came up with the concept of zero in math, and their calandar is more accurate than our own today. They farmed the barren marshscape by sending canoes out to the middle of the lake with seeds, and feritilized soil, then sinking them in the shallow water. Ouch, my brain hurts, I thought I forgot all that stuff. It's like riding a bike I guess. Back to Martial Arts, the records, show they did have martial arts, tools, and organized warfare, with their obsidian Macanas, shields, spears, and knifes, but little info survives today. beware of those promising that they teach the authentic arts, because you'll likely not find it in blackbelt magazine.

[Xtreme J]

Originally posted by Szczepankiewicz
Wasn't American Kenpo designed by a 'Native' American? From what little I know about the man, I think Ed Parker was born and raised in America.

No, Ed Parker was of Samoan descent, born and raised in Hawaii ( he was actually the great grandson of King Kamehameha [sp] ). He was also a devout Mormon.

[haumana2000]

Close guys, But although I understand Ed Parker to be of Samoan or partial decent as well, to be King Kamehameha's grandosn, he'd have to be Hawaiian. Sorry, wrong Island.

[Pizzarista]

Native American Martial Arts

The fact that this stuff is out there suggests an overall ignorance in the world. Of course there is a Native American Martial Art. Many claim sambo is a legitimate martial art, do you think any of the practitioners are Brazilian? A martial art can be studied and formed in an individual or a group. However, it is in the individual where the true art resides. As one cannot replicate any move exactly as another, then I would posit that everyone has their own martial art. What can be said for the collections of particular styles? The idea that one group cannot have their own martial art is one of racism and should not be entertained. When will people learn that we are all unique, but the tie that binds is what breaks us apart. Unfortunately many of us will never know what the truth is until the end.

P.S. Someone should check into the historical details of this discussion. . . Tomahawks were not an indigenous weapon. And the bastards should have gone back to Europe, but greed doesn't work that way does it!

[RobertG]

Originally posted by haumana2000
He who led the Spanish in their conquest was Hernan Cortez, in 1519 I believe. (It's been a long time, I minored in Southwest studies but can still be mistaken on the exact date ) Anyway, he was defeated and driven away twice left recruited the zapotecs, and many other of the tribes the Aztecs had also subjugated. When he returned, he was led by an Aztec woman named "Malinche" (A name which means traitor in Mexico today) flying the banner of good will and trust. The entrance to the city Tenochtitlan, was a long bridge, which likey due to being so shallow would never had been breached by the Spaniards, because the city was built on 6 shallow, and murky lakes, swamps really. However, the Spaniards were able to cross because of false friendship they claimed, and were welcomed. The Spaniards attacked in the middle of the night, killing women, children, and men. They also tore down all religious centers, and schools. Here is an interesting tidbit, for being so far behind "Spain" technology, they had aquaducts, working plumbing, a complex political and religious system, schools, of every technology, including warfare, and performing arts. They actually came up with the concept of zero in math, and their calandar is more accurate than our own today. They farmed the barren marshscape by sending canoes out to the middle of the lake with seeds, and feritilized soil, then sinking them in the shallow water. Ouch, my brain hurts, I thought I forgot all that stuff. It's like riding a bike I guess. Back to Martial Arts, the records, show they did have martial arts, tools, and organized warfare, with their obsidian Macanas, shields, spears, and knifes, but little info survives today. beware of those promising that they teach the authentic arts, because you'll likely not find it in blackbelt magazine.

Actually the Arabs invented the concept of zero. Maybe the Aztecs did too, but I suspect the Arabic mathematicians did it earlier. Yeah, they did have a lot of technology. But they couldn't figure out how to make a wheel. Their metalworking skills were pretty crappy too. Their ancestors killed off all the damn horses a few thousands years earlier so they didn't have anything more impressive than llamas. Oh, and they sort of ripped the hearts out of people in big public displays. Not that the Spainards were the epitome of civilized. Far from it. They were more like the epitome of barbaric. Instead of actually bothering to learn anything from the Aztecs they killed everyone, destroyed everything and took all the gold. Meanwhile I think Europe went without working plumbing (which the Romans had btw) for another couple hundred of years. I don't know about everyone else, but I think plumbing is a little more valuable than gold.

Oh yeah, and I'm sure they trained in the use of weaponry and probably had some sort of grappling sport as well. Of course, none of that matters much when a Spainard on a horse with a good steel sword and heavy armor slices your arm off.

[Hakoko]

Ed Parker is of Hawaiian descent. I am friends with his daughter and son-in-law.

[haumana2000]

Hakoko, Meke Aloha braddah, howzit? I did not know that about Ed, ya learn somepin new every day. thanks! From what I heard, He is cousins with Tino Tuiolosega of Lima Lama who is Full Samoan. Now, about the lineage to Kamehameha, hmmmm... Im doubtful, but aws you just showed, there is always room for education on the subject.

Mahalo.

[Bau13]

whoa!! History lesson...

I always thought Kamehameha was just some Dragon Ball move...

[Lizard]

The greatest move of all. Ka...May...Ha.....May.......HA!!!

Bad animation, repetetive, drawn out, predictable, nonsensical. But dragonball Z is very addictive to watch. How do those japanese do it?

[Rhy]

DON'T MA MAGAZINES HAVE CERTAIN REQUISITES BEFORE THEY ALLOW AN AD TO BE PRINTED IN THEIR MAGAZINE??

iF NOT, THAT IS DECEPTION! IF AN AD DOESN'T HOLD ANY WATER, THEN "BLACK BELT" OR WHICHEVER MAGAZINE, SHOULD NOT PRINT IT!

WHY WHY WHY WHY??

[RobertG]

Originally posted by Rhy
DON'T MA MAGAZINES HAVE CERTAIN REQUISITES BEFORE THEY ALLOW AN AD TO BE PRINTED IN THEIR MAGAZINE??

iF NOT, THAT IS DECEPTION! IF AN AD DOESN'T HOLD ANY WATER, THEN "BLACK BELT" OR WHICHEVER MAGAZINE, SHOULD NOT PRINT IT!

WHY WHY WHY WHY??

Chill out on the caps Rhy, this isn't something to get that worked up over.

[darrianation]

Give them your money and they'll print just about anything.

[ill_proph]

I think they would circle the wagons and fire arrows inwards. Actually I think there was at least a form of indian wrestling(not the leg wrestling either). But yeah, sould like he's going for the exotic sales pitch.