A good first art

[Ghost]

Yeah good point Lizard I agree with you on that.

And everything else you said before actually.

[fullcircle]

Belt doesn't mean shiznat, I agree. As far as the TDK bash, falcon needs his head pulled out. Granted, most WTF schools are about money, does that mean all TKD (ITF, USTF, ATU etc.) schools are about money? That you can pay dues and get a black belt? Of course not, and I could find many Aikido schools that will hand you a belt if you write them a check. That was a pretty ignorant statement.

[falcon3624]

What are you talking about? I never said all martial arts are equal......I never said anything of the sort......

As far as the statement about TKD I am merely saying that alot of the TkD schools out there are about the money, and not to mention you can get a black belt pretty fast. I am not knocking TkD, I have several buddies that have being doing TKD for a long time and I think that's great. I think it's all about finding something you are good at and sticking with it, and if that is TKD, MT, BJJ, Aikido, or whatever..........find something that works for you and that is the best martial art.

I agree with anyone that says a colored belt has no bearing on whether or not I am a good fighter because I know it means nothng. I have seen plenty of guys that have black belts get the crap kicked out of them in a brawl by people that don't know anything about martial arts. On the other hand to some people like me don't see the black belt as being a symbol of how well you kick ass but as a symbol of how dedicated you are to your martial art.

About getting tapped out........that is what a man does when he looses, he admits it. I don't know who you think you are but I have been around the martial arts for almost 20yrs. and I have never met anyone that cannot be beaten.........because there is no one that is unbeatable!!!!!

[Lizard]

A symbol of dedication to your art? Why should you be loyal to a particular style? sounds a bit religous to me.

Yes you did bash TKD. Yes you did say something about all arts being equal. I think of you as a misguided child but: You say you did aikido for 14 years? If you started at the age of five or six then that makes you 20? Either you're lying or you really are an idiot.

They weren't making fun of you for tapping out you dimwit, they were making fun of you for losing. Now go and lose somewhere else loser.

[falcon3624]

Show me where I said all arts are equal, I would like to see it. And what are you like 15? You talk like you are pretty good, saying all kinds of crap about me tapping out in class. You must be an NHB fighter right......I wouldn't imagine so.......if I had to guess I would figure you were about 15 and probably about 130lbs. soaking wet.

[Lizard]

Look there are two ways we can do this.

The honest way:

Originally posted by falcon3624
To tell you the truth I don't think any martial art out there is the best and that is why I finally decided to take as many different arts as I could to learn as much as I can.

Then I apologies for the mistake and we continue to argue.

Or the fun way:

Originally posted by falcon3624
My theory is that ALL ARTS ARE EQUAL. Belts are meaningless. I wish I wasn't such a loser...

[falcon3624]

Guess I was right you must be about 15.....You're funny though I give you that......Doesn't look to me like I said that all arts are equal though........Looks like I said I didn't think there was a "best" art out there......Seems like you like to make fun of what everyone else does to pump up your ego. If you have to sit around and make fun of what other people do it probably just means either you are a fat loser or you get beat down everytime you step into the ring.

[Tom Yum]

Lizard is a good chap. He just has vivid dreams -that's all. Say Lizard, do you train in H-town?

[Ghost]

Originally posted by falcon3624
if I had to guess I would figure you were about 15 and probably about 130lbs. soaking wet.

Yes i expect you would like that wouldnt you.

Im sure you dream about roling around with him on the floor in your BJJ or is it BJ class.

Lizard man watch your back ummmm i mean A$$

[falcon3624]

That's pretty funny........I don't prefer rolling on the ground though........I only take BJJ as a last resort if I cannot take someone standing and I have not needed it yet and I doubt I would.

[CHOKE UK]

Originally posted by Tom Yum
Hmmmm...another post with female aikidoka beating Muay Thai. Why does that sound familiar? Not to mention certain consistancies in style and rhetoric, but inconcsistancies in information...



Is this the work of our used car dealer secretary friend??

TOM YUM, I THINK YOU HAVE HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD.

I also agree with ghost, i'm afraid.

Strange that a comment was made regarding akido being similar in some ways to bjja?
What kind of bjja do you do ?
Is this Rita reincarnated ?

I have Known more than one black belt in akido,
and in a full contact one on one,
they werent able o use any of their moves.
and reverted immediately to the minimum bjja training they had.

Does the ghost of Rita live on.....in another form??

[falcon3624]

Aikido and BJJ are similar.......what is the main thing you try to take from the person in Aikido and BJJ? their balance........and if you look at some of the more advanced joint locks and bar techniques in Aikido you can see them used on the ground in BJJ. Good example is the move called kimura in BJJ, that is a move that was originally used by judo fighters and is a part of Aikido as well (the only difference being that in Aikido and Judo it is used in a standing position rather than on the ground like in BJJ).

And as far as saying you fought someone from any style and beating them and that makes the art suck.........People are different and some people even after years of training still can't fight. Just cuz you went out and fought some people that couldn't fight regardless of training doesn't mean the art sucks. You can't judge an art as a whole by a few people........

[CHOKE UK]

Originally posted by falcon3624
Aikido and BJJ are similar.......what is the main thing you try to take from the person in Aikido and BJJ? their balance........and if you look at some of the more advanced joint locks and bar techniques in Aikido you can see them used on the ground in BJJ. Good example is the move called kimura in BJJ, that is a move that was originally used by judo fighters and is a part of Aikido as well (the only difference being that in Aikido and Judo it is used in a standing position rather than on the ground like in BJJ).

And as far as saying you fought someone from any style and beating them and that makes the art suck.........People are different and some people even after years of training still can't fight. Just cuz you went out and fought some people that couldn't fight regardless of training doesn't mean the art sucks. You can't judge an art as a whole by a few people........

Falcon,
Dont get your feathers in a twist!
Put your talons away.

The example you have given, may show some simiariltes in the type of lock etc,
but the whole principal and training are different.

Self defence is more than just the sum of its parts.

In akido, do you do free-fighting?

I didnt say that I went out and fought an akido guy and made an assujmption ?

Two akido guys I have known trained in bjja and in the rolling and vale tudo syle couldnt use any thing they had learnt.

You obviously find this hard to accept,
and if it makes you feel better, then dont accept it.
I'm sure you wont !
(But remember, look what happened to Rita) !!!

The whole concept is different with bjja,
as they say on your first class,
get changed and leave everything you know in the changing room.
Trying to say they are the same is like saying karate and mt are the same, they both have kicks and punches !

No offence Falcon,
I would have thought that you would be clearly able to see the difference, with your eagle-eyes !


or have they left yo

[falcon3624]

I didn't say they were exactly alike....there is no way they could be exactly alike because aikido does most of it's fighting in the standing position whereas BJJ does most of the fighting on the ground, but there are move in BJJ that are just like moves found in aikido.........there might be a few differences in certain moves but they are still similar........you have to figure that BJJ was created off the base of Judo just as well as aikido came from the same roots. I don't know what kind of aikido class you are talking about but we did fight. Most people see someone do aikido and assume just because it has a lot of throws and joint locks that you don't strike but that is not true. Aikido does teach punching and kicking as well as pressure points.

I don't know what BJJ class you go to that tells you to leave everything you know behind but the main reason I joined the class I am in right now is because the teacher does not want you to forget what you know. He actually encourages us to do different forms that teach us how to fight standing and perform throws, joint locks, and so forth. We have many black belts in our class ranging from TKD and MT to Shotokan and Aikido and many other arts and we all train together. Sometimes we do MMA training and take everything we know and mix it together to find out what things work the best and what things don't work because we are all open to learning new stuff. I guess that is where our teacher is different than some others because he is willing to let you use things that don't necasarilly follow the "book" so to say as long as it works and it can be used in a fight situation.

[CHOKE UK]

Falcon,
I hear what you say.

SO how does a person use his mt skills in bjja ?

If you try to use a mish mash of moves,
then surely you have no overal strategy?

So when you are going at it full contact against say a mt fighter,
how do you use your akido ?

Similarly, if you go to ground, whats your akido strategy to help you ?

If you are using all the previous moves you have learn, how do you practice them ?
Does your instructor tell you to use all your old techniques,
How does he know they are any good ?
Doesnt he have his own proven style that he teaches you?

If what you claim is true then Akido is the way forward !
"Come back Rita, all is forgiven, we were all wrong" !