A good first art

[CHOKE UK]

Falcon,
following on from your theory that akido and bjja are similar,
because they are related to judo.

Well your point is over-simplistic.

But to carry on your assumption,
would you say therefore,
that traditional Jui jitsu is the same as bjja.
well many of moves are the same as is the name ?

Well, you'd be wrong !

You are talking apples and oranges.
Yes both roundish in shape,
yes both fruits,
yes both edible,
yes both this and both that !

Your simplistic view over looks the obvious.
Namely the fact that they are very different !
Thats why they have different names ?

Bjja by any other name....................

[Tom Yum]

Falcon, there is no such thing as a black belt in Muay Thai...lol.

Aikido, Japanese JJ, Judo and Hapkido are all based off of one system called Daito-ryu aikijujitsu (sp?). This style has roots in a Chinese system called Chin Na (Chinese: Seizing & Grabbing). The history of Eastern MAs has roots in China and Mongolia. China was not a unified country in History, but was a large group of Warlord Territories from North Korea to Vietnam. To this day, Buddhist temples in Korea and Vietnam are influenced by Tang and Ming dynasty architecture and covered in Chin. characters. The Mongols invaded China and Central Asia and with the invasion came their combat methods - mainly wrestling.

Actually Brazillian JJ has its roots from Traditional Japanese Jiujitsu and began in the 1920's when Helio Gracie studied TJJ under a Japanese master, who immigrated to Brazil. BTW there's a lot of Japanese descendants living in Brazil today; some who are tri & quadrilingual. Mr. Gracie was a slender man and a former boxer (welterweight?) in Brazil. He wanted to use his JJ skills against larger opponents; so he studied his art very carefully, discarded many of JJ power-based techniques and refined it so that smaller and weaker opponents could win. He issued challenges across Brazil and was undefeated for 50 or 60 years; except one Japanese JJ master.

Judo, founded by Dr. Jigoro Kano, was also taken from TJJ. Dr. Kano created Judo in the late 1800s by taking away JJ most devastating and viscious techniques. Which is why in Judo cirriculum you don't see pressure point strikes, kicks and many finishing holds of JJ.

Aikido was derived from Daito-ryu aikijujitsu, but is meant to be the most pacifistic derivation. Its not effective on its own, but has advantages in certain situations - like restraining.

[CHOKE UK]

Hi tom yum,
and you are quite correct.
TODAYS BJJA IS UNRECOGNISABLE from the original tradional japanese jui jitsu.
The original j j split and went indifferent directions , judo and bjja etc.

So bird-mans theory and link is not a direct one.

Judo is very different from bjja,
I have trained with very good judo fighters and they do not take to bjja with the ease you might think !
Again the strategy and applications are different,
but bird man doesnt seem to appreciate that point !
Akido's claim to fame,
seems to be that,
someone once said it was like bjja !

If you take on a good bjja fighter you willl see what I mean,
"The falcon has landed " on his back ! lol

[Tom Yum]

Good one Choke. Houston, we have no problem....

Its ok Falcon. At least you're learning the hard way. Falcon, why are you interested in the martial arts? From what you say you are 6'2" , 260 (~119kg) and can bench press 360 (~160kg) and yet are a huge fan of aikido (pun intended).

Arnold Schwartzenegger is not a ballerina.

[falcon3624]

We don't use MT skills in a BJJ fight just like you don't use BJJ tehcniques in a MT fight.

I basically is like this, some of the guys in our class fight in the NHB and other full-contact local competitions. Like I said we put all our moves together and find what works and what does not. We take the things we learn in BJJ for our ground fighting and then we take all the other stuff and use it for stand up fighting. We might like one throw from aikido and another one from judo or hapkido. We might like a kick from one art but not the other. We just take everything and throw it all out and we all decide on the best techniques for our stand up fighting.

[falcon3624]

I am not training in aikido anymore. Right now I am training in BJJ and MT mostly. I am not a fan of aikido I just said that it can be effective when done properly. I am 6'2" and 240lbs.

[Tom Yum]

What city do you train in?

[falcon3624]

I wasn't implying the guy had a black belt in muay-thai I was just saying that we have many black belts and many fighters from different arts.

[Soulfighter]

There are a few good schools around Miami. I would contact Pedro Brandao of the Gracie Barra Jiu-Jitsu Academy in Miami. He's a great instructor and fosters a very good attitude among his team.

His number is 786-262-8815 or you may try 305-510-2454 as a second option.

Good luck!

[falcon3624]

I train in Houma Louisiana.

[Tom Yum]

Didn't know Houma had a JJ school..?..I met a guy in Baton Rouge who did JKD/Wing Chun/Chin Na and was quite proficient at stand up grappling.

Houston's Yves Edwards fought in LA about a year ago.

[falcon3624]

The guy that teaches our BJJ class was trained by Rickson Gracie.

[falcon3624]

Houma has a BJJ school but the guy doesn't really want a big class. He likes the classes to be smaller and more personal. We try to compete as much as we can, but there aren't many tournaments around here. Do you know of any tournaments that would be kinda close to this area???

[Tom Yum]

Are you talking about JJ tournaments or no holds barred type? LA has a few NHB type tournaments, but the less official ones have ruffians that took a week of bjj classes just to qualify. A good friend of mine competed in an LA NHB tournament a while back and KOd his opponent.

His opponent was really muscular, tatooed, was rude and yelled alot. The guy put his head down and started throwing wild haymakers..lol. My friend slowed him down with a thai kick to the thigh, bobbed a haymaker and planted the guy with a r. cross into his gut. The guy complained that he got hit in the crotch; the ref checked him out and saw the welt was near his kidney. So, that's what you have to deal with in lesser known NHB comps.

You should ask your coach. I'm sure New Orleans hosts a few jj tourneys.

[falcon3624]

As far as I know there are not many BJJ tournaments around here cuz I only know of one other school in New Orleans and those guys are not that good. I have several buddies that fight in the NHB around here, but that really doesn't interest me all that much. I mean it looks like fun and all but I can't keep my temper under control when people start hitting me in the head.

Where in N.O. did you freind fight NHB? All my buddies fight at this place called The Main Event over in fat city. I have like 6 people in my class that fight there and they have been trying to get me to go and do it.