yeah I see what you mean, and I'm sorry if I came off little too fast. Arlight, I'll find some data on it for you. But it's too late tonight, and I'm going to be out whole day tomorrow with my friends. So I'll do it when I have some free time. I don't know if I can find a lot of info on it though. Look, I'm an atheist but my mom always tried to convert me into christianity and always talked about how real God is. It may be real to her, but he is not to me. So I think God is an illusion. So I guess I can call all the christians int he World crackheads, because they beleive in something that I think is not real. You believe it's not real, and I believe ki is real...and no, I believe no opinion is greater than other in an open subject matter like ki. Damn man, I'm mad lazy mofo, but I'll see what I can find on the subject. peace.
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Originally posted by RobertG
I should hope you felt heat from the guy's hand. Humans are warmblooded and run somewhere in the vicinity of 98 degrees Fareheit. If you hadn't felt heat from his hands, well I'd either suspect he had circulation problems, he was actually some undead creature, or a some sort of human-reptile hybrid that had lost the ability to maintain a constant body temperature.
So yeah, I'm asking you or anyone who maintains the reality of ki/chi/qi/THE FORCE/etc. to prove it. Lets think about your scenario for a moment shall we? First off, I'll ignore why you went to a chiropractor for an ankle sprain when you could have iced it and stayed off of it for a few days.
So you sprained your ankle. This usually involves microtears in the connective tissue/muscles. The body usually fixes this itself--it involves a lot of processes, but we'll narrow it down. If your tissue is torn we'll just say you need to synthesize new tissue to fix the micro-tears. This would involve protein synthesis. This is under hormonal regulation. So a guy waves his hand over your ankle and its all better. So we could entertain the possibility that he trasmitted fully formed proteins from his hands, across the air, through your skin and into your ankle, where they were rapidly incorporated into your damaged tissue. Of course, you'd have an antibody reaction to foreign proteins trying to cross your skin. And he'd have to have a mechanism for extruding tissue specific proteins. So I think we can rule out this possibility.
There is also the possibility that his "energy" intitated a cascade of hormonal responses that increased the rate of tissue repair. There are a number of problems with this scenario. First, the "energy" in question needs to be something we can measure. Its got to some form of electromagnetic energy. The human body generates small, but measurable amounts of electrical energy. So he'd have to have a way to pool electrical energy in his hand and broadcast electricity across the air and into your body. Go study the physics of transfering electricity through the air. Doesn't work so well unless you are Tesla. Thats why we have power lines. But I'll grant that he's a mutant X-man that can zap people with electricity. Well then you'd have felt a shock, not heat. Then I wonder how zapping your ankle with electricity would induce production of anabolic compounds in the body. Especially since the ankle contains no hormone producing organs. But here we go...electricity zaps your damaged ankle tissue, which then starts a cascade which induces the body to go into anabolic mode. Well see the problem here is that the reason that it takes a while for your ankle to heal in the first place is the same reason it takes a while to build muscle--its a resource limited process. Without enough protein in your diet and a surplus of calories, its unlikely that your tissue regeneration is going to proceed quickly. So in order for your ankle to miraculously heal in this scenario, you'd have to have just downed several massive protein shakes several hours before. Then suddenly, because this guy zaps you with electricity, the body rushes the repair job with all the new raw materials you've provided. I'm guessing you didn't do anything out of the ordinary with your diet in the days/hours beforehand, so its unlikely there was enough raw material around to do a rush healing job.
So we are left with yet another possibility--somehow ki miraculously trasforms material A to material B. And not just that, somehow moves it into the right place. See in the above scenario the problem is that it violates thermodyanmic laws. You can't make new tissue any faster without the raw material. His ki isn't going to make new material appear out of thin air. So we can ask, can ki turn, oh lets say blood into ankle tissue? So he waves his hands and somehow blood molecules in the nearby veins/arteries are transformed into the various damaged tissues of the ankle. This involves a great deal of probably thermodynamically unfavorable, if not impossible chemical reactions. I'm not quite sure how you turn a red blood cell into muscle fiber. But X-man chiropractor can do it. Not only that, he can move this newly transformed tissue into exactly the right place from some other site in your body.
Now we are left to ask, what is more realistic--you have deluded yourself or this doctor can violate all the laws of physics, chemistry and biology?? This isn't a matter of being open-minded. This is a matter of how the universe works. If you even think through what you are describing on a really simplisitic level it is totally impossible. Zapping molecules with electrical energy from your hand cannot turn them into specific functional molecules. If this were the case, then chemical factories would use electricity to make industrial molecules. It would be a lot cleaner than using a series of reactions with catalysts to do things. You just take any raw material, zap with electricity and it becomes whatever molecule you want. Moreover, you wouldn't even need chemists because apparently you just take a seminar in Korea and they teach you how to turn one molecule into any other molecule you want.
If you have a scientific explanation for how your ankle got healed, I'd love to hear it.
Does chi exist?
NO
Can belief in it it help us?
YES!!!
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Then how to do a ki punch or kick¿
I'm just about to start lessons of taekwondo
And i have a question how do you use ki or chi
Here in the netherlands nobody has a question I think its absolutely something asian
Could somebody tell me how to use it because i dont think you need to be top martial artist to perform such a punch
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This is the funniest thread ever!!! ROFL!!! LMFAO!!!
Here is another example of Ki: Faith Healer Benny Hinn. Lots of prayer, lots of singing...Benny lays on the hands...and...hallelujah:
Cripples jump out of their wheel chairs and dance on the stage.
People who can allready stand collapse as the Holy Spirit supposedly smacks 'em to the ground.
As P.T. Barnum said: "There's a sucker born every minute."
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Does Chi power exist? Probably, at least in terms of self-hypnosis, but I put it in the same category as hot tubs, accupuncture, chiropractors, homeopathy, etc. If it makes you feel better then go for it. But if you have a broken bone or stage III cancer then you need a doctor.
Alternative medical care is fine as a supplement to real healthcare. In fact, non-traditional healthcare providers frequently have much less bureaucracy and better customer relations skills than the real docs, and that can be comforting to somebody who is sick and also scared. Where these guys sometimes run into trouble is when they position themselves in lieu of real healthcare. When this happens they run the chance of getting a lawsuit slapped on them that's big enough that they'll have to sell one of their kidneys to pay for the damages. Practicing medicine without a license is serious business.Last edited by terry; 07-14-2003, 01:36 PM.
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Traditional Eastern medicine?
I used to think that "chi"-related Eastern medicine treatments were just folk remedies based on superstition and not science, but now I'm not so sure. I have heard good things about acupuncture and herbal massage, so I think some of these treatments probably work. What I'm not sure about is whether these treatments really restore the balance of chi, or happen to work for reasons more easily explained by Western science . . .
As for people being able to brew and store chi, and then use it to deadly effect in combat, I think I'd have to see it to believe it.
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