Best combination of Martial arts.

[nogard1980]

oh and kali is another syles I will be tapped into.

[Roland]

Originally posted by RebelFury
I think many people miss the point of practicing martial arts. MA's are not meant for street defense.. the best street defence is A) Run away. Really fast, because he's probably got some buddies, or a weapon. Or B) Get a gun permit, and pack some heat.

A) How good is your 40-yard dash?

B) Get together with a friend. Put a training knife in his hand. Put a toy gun in the waist band of your pants. See how many times he can stick you as you attempt to draw the gun.

[oneil357]

In my opinion(like anyone cares) is that you cant put a number on how many you should or shouldnt know, if it works for you use it if it doesnt find something else, You should feel comftorable with you skills and knowledge one persons failure can be another persons success but never limit yourself .
But since i didnt answer you question here are my 3 fav.

1.BJJ- many fight end up on the ground and i love being comftorable there.
2.JKD- it allows me to take what works and build from there.
3.boxing- demands great stamina and balance and you learn how to take a punch.

[Gom]

A lot of people are suggesting carrying a sidearm as self defense.
I'm not sure about America but where I come from in New Zealand it's illegal to have a firearm that isn't locked in a safe. Carrying a sidearm in public even concealed is illegal. Not even police carry sidearms except I hear that certain higher ranking officers carry side arms in their squad cars in a safe under the drivers seat. In the States (I'm not 100% suer on this) but is'nt it illegal to pull a side arm out in public? Not sure about carrying. In any case my point is that self defense doesn't necessarily stop at the end of a scuffle. There are legal repercussions. I heard Tom mention making sure that people hear you say you don't want a fight. Good call! Likewise if someone spits at you and takes a menacing stance at you then legally it's unjustifiable to pull a 9mm berreta from behind you and point it in someones face. Using any kind of deadly weapon against someone is only legally justifiable if there is sufficient evidence that your life is in imminent danger. So you would have to pull your gun/knife etc after they do. If they are serious about hurting you then you can kiss your ass goodbye when it comes to trying to pull a gun on them, or a knife. I think I'd rather go against one person pulling a gun on my at close range than a person pulling a knife on me at close range. At least with the gun once your past the barrel your not in immediatea danger and should the gun go off a lot of attention will be brought to you possibly making your assailant run away.

I cant be bothered talkin to much more but the general point was that packin heat isn't the solution. Unjustifiable use of a firearm can land you in prison for years. Plus if you **** up and they get hold of your trusty firearm then you've given them a weapon. You also encourage any of their freinds who are packing to open up on you aswell. And never forget the fact that most people simply aren't ready to end another persons life. I dont think I could.

[Ghost]

What i am suggesting that to be rounded it actually takes about 3 systems combined. I still dont believe that the defence systems that Ryanahall speaks of are good enough in one given are say standup. I dont belive someone who is doing one of those WW" things is going to beat a Thai Boxer standing, but i don think they will have alot of useful techniques.
I think the best approach is to cover your stand up with whatever you believe to be the best stand up, same with the ground and then addd to this a WW2 style system.

[ryanhall]

Ghost,
You're not exactly squaring off and engaging in a boxing match with the other guy. With surprise, you can take out just about anybody. Sparring is not fighting, and martial arts is not self-defense.

Everyone says Thai boxer this, and BJJ blackbelt that. Firstoff, the odds of you engaging in a physical confrontation with a professional fighter are very slim, provided that you are not a bouncer at an establishment that they frequent. Second, their skill in the ring in no way guarantees their success outside the ring. Third, another Thai fighter or BJJ player of lower skill would be just as screwed as anybody else fighting against these guys--moreso infact, as you don't have any tricks up your sleeve. It would seem as if you believe that the title Thai boxer makes one the paragon of fighting excellence. I assure you that style doesn't manifest itself much outside the ring. If you don't know how to deal with it all (not just standup and grappling), then you are in sad shape.

I would like to point out that I am not suggesting that a big, strong, Thai fighter or boxer would not be a dangerous guy in or out of the ring. Everyone knows that they are. However, your aim is to be able to beat this person, not necessarily out-fight them.

Just to note, RBSD guys have beaten pro Thai boxers and Thai trained fighters, and every RBSD instructor I listed has a lot of experience in combat sports (where else would you get your base?) such as Thai, boxing, wrestling, Judo, BJJ, Sambo, and Bando.

[Ghost]

Fair comment.

I still think an Thai boxer will out punch them. But i may be wrong. even if they know a few tricks.

[ryanhall]

I still think an Thai boxer will out punch them. But i may be wrong. even if they know a few tricks.

It's certainly a possibility. There are no absolutes, and learning RBSD, Thai, BJJ, WW II stuff, etc. in no way guarantees success. Play it right, however, and the other guy, whoever he is, shouldn't have the opportunity to out-punch you.

As far as punching goes, however, I believe that it can be a little deficient (but certainly still dangerous). The same way that a Thai boxer can close to the clinch on a boxer to set up knees, so can anyone else. As I'm sure you know, gaining the clinch isn't usually that difficult, even off a defensive response (i.e. other guy punches and you slip/jam/parry+move in). If you nail the other guy with a solid pre-emptive strike, then you're in even better shape. Hanging out in punching range isn't what I (or many people, I imagine) like to do. Even though throw hard punches, I can also be hit, and I don't have any illusions about my ability to hang at range and trade blows with a pro fighter. Close range, and you have taken most people out of their game. Move in and shred. Jam the hook and shred. Works for me.

Truth be told, I'm moving further and further away from conventional striking (punch, kick, knee, etc. on the full beat) and more towards closing range and doing damage with the fingers, knees, elbows, and head on the half and quarter beat. The former is still important, however, and I don't neglect it, beacuse I can still lose to it.

[Tom Yum]

Good point. How often will you have to defend yourself against Chuck "The Iceman" Liddell or Royce Gracie on the street?

Most people don't study martial arts at all or have little experience and therefore do not know how to react, rather rely on trickery, deception or weapons.

To be honest, karate itself can be effective on the street if the karateka is street smart and fast enough. But, each style has limitations as you find out from sparring other styles. Muay Thai's stance is too upright and on the balls of the feet, which is good for stand up fighting with knees, kicks and elbows but terrible leverage against wrestling/judo style takedowns. Boxing stance is less upright which is good for strictly punching, better for balance and keeping fight pressure, but brings the head closer to the knees and is easy to clinch.

[Acitic]

i think that Arnis would be good.... for weapons and stuff.... it is always a good thing to learn to use a knife properly and how to defend against it

[Bjjexpertise@be]

How often will you have to defend yourself against Chuck "The Iceman" Liddell or Royce Gracie on the street?

I'm sorry to get off topic but this sentance brought out a chuckle from me. Try to imagine Royce Gracie trying to Mug you on the street. Just imagine. He does the low kick, then the clinch takes you down, sidemounts you, then tries an kimura on you, but you move too much, so he tries to mount you. As much as you struggle he manages to mount you and prepares for the side choke. You then quickly grab the nearest piece of broken glass/rock/sharp stick/Carrot/Pen and repeatedly stab him in crotch, he keels over in pain. And then ironically you steal his wallet instead. Sorry if this was a bit boring i just had to say it.

[Tom Yum]

That's a humorous depiction of how Royce would lay the smack down on someone and gave me a good chuckle, but here's what would probably happen for real:

He would probably tie you up in the clinch and slam you onto the concrete with a solid throw (ogoshi, ippon seo nage or koshi guruma if you're about the same size otherwise he would trip you up with ko soto geri or ko uchi geri)

As you slam onto the concrete, you don't know how to break fall so you land on your shoulder, breaking your arm into several pieces and your back/hips follow possibly dislocating a few discs in your spine.

If the shock doesn't cause you to go unconscious, who knows what he would do next...? I would hope that he would call an ambulance.

[Bjjexpertise@be]

instead of using an ogari, i think he'd use an illegal through. I showed Falcon the throw today, it's where you wrap your arms around the guy's waist, straighten your knees then spin him and throw him down with his hiead facing down on the ground.

[ryanhall]

You just described an assault without any intent of robbery. I don't doubt that Royce would likely succeed in that attempt--provided that he wasn't biting off more than he could chew. You never really know who you're dealing with, and your mark's buddies might be only a few steps away.

Actually, I believe that Royce Gracie would likely fail miserably or succeed sloppily in a mugging attempt because he would be an amatuer mugger. He probably doesn't know jack about setting up his victim or getting them to lower their guard. Depending on who he messed with, he might get stabbed or shot. The same goes for anyone, not just Royce. In addition, he's doesn't look threatening enough to intimidate the average size American male, so he would be wise to have a weapon, if only for dramatic effect. Street fights can be anyone's game, so he would be unwise to rely on hand to hand skills alone. Lady luck isn't always on your side.

[Ghost]

Thanks Ryan for that sobering thought.